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New Tags to Repair Faction Standing Without Penalty!
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Ragnar D IX
Ayn Rand Corporation
#1 - 2015-02-27 12:22:51 UTC
Idk if this is in play already... but I would like CCP to come out with tags to repair faction standing, without subsequent damage to my other standings. I've been working to repair my standing with a faction that was severely damaged early on by running missions.

I have run through all of the starter missions as well as SoE epic arc. The only thing left for me is to grind out missions now.. but that will damage my standings with other factions.

**They have already set the precedent for criminals with regard to high sec space.**

Can this idea see the light of day?



("There is no day in space, you idiot" ) - from "Star Drunk"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPrtQ9AdoM0
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-27 12:48:52 UTC
I heard each empire faction has it's epic arc that doesn't give a standing loss beside the others, not only SoE and they are repeatable every 3 month. You only need to work up your standing with the agents corp who starts the mission for the L4s, so the requirements are pretty low.

Being able to buy secstatus back for isk was a huge mistake by CCP, they should rather remove this option than doing the same to the whole standing mechanic.
V0LC4N3
eve unbound
Juggernaut.
#3 - 2015-02-28 21:01:18 UTC
Ragnar D IX wrote:
but that will damage my standings with other factions.


Only to a point - run whichever faction is lowest at the time and the only time is till get punitive if you flip flop between them is when you get them all +5 ish.

You've got Circle Agents
You've got Cosmos Tags
You've got Cosmos Missions
You've got Epic Arcs.

All of which will do what you intend in short order.

I am sure DeMichael Crimson will throw his plan on the table in short order.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-03-01 01:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
V0LC4N3 wrote:

I am sure DeMichael Crimson will throw his plan on the table in short order.

Yes indeed.

Here's a link to the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' thread. That thread was set up for 'Questions & Comments'. The thread also contains various helpful links including one to 'The Plan' itself located in Evelopedia.

The 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' has proven itself time and time again to be the fastest and easiest way to not only repair negative Faction standings, but to also help boost positive Faction standings as well.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#5 - 2015-03-01 05:34:12 UTC
You can easily run missions for any NPC for years without dong enough damage to your standings to cause problems.
The standings killers are the missions that you are asked to run that have you fighting against one of the four major factions.
Amarr
Caldari
Gellente
Minmatar

If you get a mission that has you fighting one of these then decline.
Declining one mission every four hours per agent will not harm your standings. Even if you decline more than one per agent in the four hour period it will not harm your faction standings it will only harm your standings for that agent and a very minor hit to his NPC.
Ragnar D IX
Ayn Rand Corporation
#6 - 2015-03-08 03:49:07 UTC
Mobbel Ernaga wrote:
I heard each empire faction has it's epic arc that doesn't give a standing loss beside the others, not only SoE and they are repeatable every 3 month. You only need to work up your standing with the agents corp who starts the mission for the L4s, so the requirements are pretty low.

Being able to buy secstatus back for isk was a huge mistake by CCP, they should rather remove this option than doing the same to the whole standing mechanic.


I actually agree: allowing criminals to buy their way back into hi sec space removes the consequences of being a criminal, for cryin out loud

However, I see it distinctly different from what I'm taking about: most new players will run missions for isk revenue and jump clones. .. and u are taking out NPC's.. much different from earning a criminal standing
Ragnar D IX
Ayn Rand Corporation
#7 - 2015-03-08 03:58:27 UTC
As I have said.. I have a SPECIFIC faction I am trying to repair. I have already run many COSMOS , STARTER AGENTS, and SOE EPIC ARC. I have run dry now, with exception to grinding out faction missions.

I have also run DISTRIBUTION missions trying to not take a hit in my home standings.. to no avail. If you run a mission that inadvertently affects your home faction, you will be penalized. Distribution missions, for example

I disagreed with CCP offering tags to repair sec status. But .. now that they have created that SLIPPERY SLOPE .. I don't think its too much to ask that we are able to repair our faction standings.. particularly since most of the damage comes from npc missions.. unlike earning a criminal status
Orlacc
#8 - 2015-03-08 05:51:31 UTC
You screwed up and it's the game's fault. Now I understand.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Ragnar D IX
Ayn Rand Corporation
#9 - 2015-03-09 00:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ragnar D IX
Orlacc wrote:
You screwed up and it's the game's fault. Now I understand.


What? Wow.. that is narrow and pointless. I screwed up because I ran missions like EVERYONE else when they started?

You're part of EvE's problems troll. Yeah.. ur the 'Leet" player CCP is bowing to. And look.. EvE is dying.

As I have already pointed out: CCP has already laid out the precedent when they allowed criminals to buy their way back into high sec.

Are you suggesting that ALL OF THOSE criminals who got away with ganking in high sec to earn the right NOT to fly in hi sec anymore ... and subsequently were allowed to buy away the consequence... 'screwed up' as well?

Don't be jelly that CCP started this slippery slope. If some people are permitted to buy back their criminal acts with tags.. then maybe those who ran missions starting out outta ALSO be able to buy back their faction standing.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#10 - 2015-03-09 04:14:58 UTC
Before you start talking about how easy it is to fix sec status, I suggest you kill enough players to get to negative 10. Then go through the "easy" process of fixing. Because it isn't easy or cheap.
Orlacc
#11 - 2015-03-09 05:02:32 UTC
Oh yeah you are the latest "EVE is dying" guy. Forgot. Your thread is so full of others agreeing with you I must have been wrong. They should change the game to accommodate you. Sorry.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-03-10 05:45:44 UTC
Have you checked out the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' yet ? It lists all Event Agents available in game that give Faction standing increase.

Completing the Agents of your Factions ally will also increase your own Faction standing. For example, to keep increasing Minmatar Faction standing after completing all of their Event Agents, complete the Gallente Event Agents.

Not to mention the Epic Arcs can be re-done every 3 months.

Anyway, since you haven't listed specific details of your situation, it's very hard to give good solid info to help fix your current issue.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-03-10 07:22:06 UTC
Ragnar D IX wrote:
As I have said.. I have a SPECIFIC faction I am trying to repair. I have already run many COSMOS , STARTER AGENTS, and SOE EPIC ARC. I have run dry now, with exception to grinding out faction missions.

I have also run DISTRIBUTION missions trying to not take a hit in my home standings.. to no avail. If you run a mission that inadvertently affects your home faction, you will be penalized. Distribution missions, for example

*snip


What you are looking for sounds like a quick fix in faction standings.

Faction standings repair is a long term goal and should be thought of in this way.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2015-03-10 14:20:12 UTC
Hulk Miner wrote:
Ragnar D IX wrote:
As I have said.. I have a SPECIFIC faction I am trying to repair. I have already run many COSMOS , STARTER AGENTS, and SOE EPIC ARC. I have run dry now, with exception to grinding out faction missions.

I have also run DISTRIBUTION missions trying to not take a hit in my home standings.. to no avail. If you run a mission that inadvertently affects your home faction, you will be penalized. Distribution missions, for example

*snip


What you are looking for sounds like a quick fix in faction standings.

Faction standings repair is a long term goal and should be thought of in this way.


Agree. Because tanking your faction standing is a long term goal also. Just because a person fails to watch their faction standings, or willfully causes them to go very low negative; does not mean CCP needs to create a new method to fix OP mistake.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-03-11 01:29:08 UTC
Actually I think CCP should make all the Event Agents able to be redone after 1 year of completing their missions.

That way players can still repair their Faction standings while doing Anti-Empire Encounter missions. It will still take time since the Event Agents, upon completion, will only be available again after a year has passed.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#16 - 2015-03-11 08:54:02 UTC
OP, I here include a link to a summary of the discussion of this topic at the last winter CSM summit. Probably won't be quick if at all: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5171547

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-03-11 13:50:32 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
You can easily run missions for any NPC for years without dong enough damage to your standings to cause problems.
The standings killers are the missions that you are asked to run that have you fighting against one of the four major factions.
Amarr
Caldari
Gellente
Minmatar

If you get a mission that has you fighting one of these then decline.
Declining one mission every four hours per agent will not harm your standings. Even if you decline more than one per agent in the four hour period it will not harm your faction standings it will only harm your standings for that agent and a very minor hit to his NPC.

so much wrong with this post.
1. You dont need years to destroy your standings. I have a trade char and I grinded Caldari faction standing to 9.9 within about 2 months. His Gallente standing is -5 and it stopped decreasing due derived standings awhile ago - apparently derived standings only decrease below a certain point. So if you mission enough, do plenty of storyline missions and kill a few enemy ships here and there, you can be shoot-on-sight much sooner than years.
2. Not all missions against other factions are bad. Check eve-survival for more info. Some missions incur only minor decreases around 0.01-0.06 even if you have to kill a lot of enemy faction ships. Mission Enemies Abound comes to mind - you can do part 1 and farm quite a lot of tags, but you have to cancel part 3.
3. Declining mission more often than every 4 hours cost you faction standing too, very minor though. Corp and agent standing loss is the same, I think, in % as standing increase were you to do the mission. However, when you standing is high, 1% increase is a lot more than 1% decrease in absolute standing value. E.g. with a standing of 9, 1% increase is only +0.01, while 1% decrease is -0.19.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#18 - 2015-03-12 03:48:20 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
1. You dont need years to destroy your standings.

You obviously did not read what I wrote. so here it is again.

Donnachadh wrote:
You can easily run missions for any NPC for years without dong enough damage to your standings to cause problems.

As you can clearly see I am simply stating that you can run missions for years WITHOUT destroying your faction standings and the simplest way to do that is to decline any missions that require you to fight against one of the 4 major factions.


Bagatur I wrote:
2. Not all missions against other factions are bad. Check eve-survival for more info. Some missions incur only minor decreases around 0.01-0.06 even if you have to kill a lot of enemy faction ships. Mission Enemies Abound comes to mind - you can do part 1 and farm quite a lot of tags, but you have to cancel part 3.

ALL faction missions are bad for your faction standings, it is only a matter of degree as to how bad.
While I agree with your specific example here the best overall advice to give to missions runners that are concerned about faction standing is to avoid faction missions as that removes the problem entirely.


Bagatur I wrote:
3. Declining mission more often than every 4 hours cost you faction standing too, very minor though. Corp and agent standing loss is the same, I think, in % as standing increase were you to do the mission. However, when you standing is high, 1% increase is a lot more than 1% decrease in absolute standing value. E.g. with a standing of 9, 1% increase is only +0.01, while 1% decrease is -0.19.

Your description of standing changes here is not quite correct. And since standings and changes to them are so complex I am not even going to try and explain, I will simply point people who care to these excellent web sites.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Standings_mechanics
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_Standings


Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
#19 - 2015-03-12 15:53:20 UTC
Mobbel Ernaga wrote:
Being able to buy secstatus back for isk was a huge mistake by CCP, they should rather remove this option than doing the same to the whole standing mechanic.



This.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-03-13 11:38:00 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
You obviously did not read what I wrote. so here it is again.


I misread that. My bad.

Donnachadh wrote:
ALL faction missions are bad for your faction standings, it is only a matter of degree as to how bad.
While I agree with your specific example here the best overall advice to give to missions runners that are concerned about faction standing is to avoid faction missions as that removes the problem entirely.


0.01% loss is nothing, especially when you already canceled a mission recently and canceling again would incur 0.01% with your faction.

Donnachadh wrote:
Your description of standing changes here is not quite correct. And since standings and changes to them are so complex I am not even going to try and explain, I will simply point people who care to these excellent web sites.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Standings_mechanics
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_Standings


what is SO complex about "Increase standing changes are derived as a percentage change of the difference between current "true" standing (unmodified) and 10. " and "Decrease standing changes work the same way. Except the endpoint is -10."???