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When will DRF win EVE

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PAPULA
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#61 - 2011-09-13 13:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: PAPULA
Jee'ta wrote:
(Stupid forums, guess they timeout)

Nah, the DRF is still in the process of cleaning up -A-, mostly because having a common enemy is good for alliance cohesion than any serious desire for the space I suspect.

The DRF has pretty much won the null-sec competition in a masterful display of alliance culture, diplomacy and logistics that has smashed their supposed counter-balance (the NC). There's no force remaining that can seriously threaten their sov or even catch up given the resources they have at their disposal.

That's mostly CCP being bad. They should have realised some coalition getting super-cap superiority and fielding super-cap blobs was inevitable when they buffed them and the QEN construction numbers told them it was happening way in advance. But they did nothing. At this point even if they do give super-caps a severe nerf I'm not sure it matters.

Instead we'll probably have to wait for the coalition to turn on itself or rot from the inside like the NC did. But that could mean months or years of largely stagnant null-sec in terms of big Sov wars.

The problems began when ccp nerfed 0.0 anomalies, jump bridges and other stuff.
Now they'll have DRF controlling all of 0.0 because of those stupid changes.
Also number of alts and players dropped alot since the nerf.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-09-13 13:59:01 UTC
Actually the mistake was made years ago, way back when BOB was still around.
People got so worked up over BOB they completely ignored the east. (wonder how that happened)
The mistake was made then and continued till it was too late.

It was only a matter of time.

So now the NC Coalition has been replaced with another Coalition.
It didn't have to go that way the players could have changed it.

It can even be changed today.

But the players built the ships and formed the coalitions not CCP.
So the players can't blame everything on CCP.
The players are as much to blame.

Just because you have a nuke that doesn't mean you have to use it.

flame on.


Jee'ta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2011-09-13 14:09:52 UTC

No. It was mostly CCP.

A super-ship that takes massive resources, effort and secure space will tend to enhance "older" powers in game and make it hard for new entrants into null-sec. So unsurprisingly it became a battle between those powers for who would come out on top. You could even say it was NC tech versus DRF drone minerals but now one coalition has both those resources.

Incidentally the super-capital parts of BoB are still around and doing rather nicely as Raiden (or in PL).
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2011-09-13 14:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Jee'ta wrote:

No. It was mostly CCP.

A super-ship that takes massive resources, effort and secure space will tend to enhance "older" powers in game and make it hard for new entrants into null-sec. So unsurprisingly it became a battle between those powers for who would come out on top. You could even say it was NC tech versus DRF drone minerals but now one coalition has both those resources.

Incidentally the super-capital parts of BoB are still around and doing rather nicely as Raiden (or in PL).



0.0 dwellers are real big about spouting risk versus reward and everything you do should have consequences.
And CCP has stated over and over again how they make items and then find the plays do some totally different then what CCP expected.

No sorry but the players could have pulled the plug on there actions a long time ago.
Instead they would prefer to abuse a toy till it breaks and then scream to daddy to come fix it.

I bet CCP was laughing there asses off as the NC fell thinking yup here we go again.
Daddy's going to have to fix the toy yet again.

NC lost cause they where ripe for the picking.
When the SOV changes came about and Razor only maintained SOV on the Stations...
Well, I thought they wouldn't survive a month.
Hratli Smirks
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2011-09-13 15:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hratli Smirks
Avon wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Satav wrote:
says a goonswarm noob.

Goonswarm noobs are whining Eve.


FYP




how many threads do you plan on crying about us in? (We are running a pool and I want some inside info before I throw in my money)
Jee'ta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2011-09-13 15:06:29 UTC

/shrug.

It's in CCP's interests to keep the toy interesting for as many players as possible, that's sort of where their paycheck comes from. But feel free to suggest there is a moral dimension in there if you like.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2011-09-13 15:09:52 UTC
Satav wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Is there a list of which alliances are considered DRF somewhere? I had a link at one time, but it seems to be a dead one.

How much of 0.0 does DRF have now?



http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

the DRF is a little loose in some areas but the main powerhouses are.

White Noise
Solar (Fleet/Wing)
Legion of XXXDeath
Shadow of XXXDeath

Moon Tribe
Voodoo Technologies
Bloodbound.
Cluster of Rebirth
Dead Moon Enterprises.
Str8nge Brew
Intrepid Crossing
Raiden.
NCDot.
PL

The last 10 are pets or industrial.


fixed

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#68 - 2011-09-13 15:31:16 UTC
E man Industries wrote:
DRF is building supers faster than they can be blown up. On the field 7 titans DD logistics ships and the suppers that do go down are replaced the next day. Take not of the pilots who fly them and even when the blow up they show up on kill mails the day after in new super's.

They have the isk source and industrial base to keep this up.

A super nerf is nice so another fleet type can stand a chance. What we need more is a counter to supers. DRF will still be okay as they can produce what ever the FOTM is faster than anyother alliance.

Even without supers they took -a- cyno jammers down, you can't blame supers for everything athough they where a large part of why -a- could not strike back.

right now there is no way to hurt a blob if you can not out blob them. this is wrong. A fleet should at least be able to inflict damage to these alliance without getting hot droped out of existance. DRF is winning because no one can hurt them, give smaller fleets a way to strike and bleed the beast and we will.


^^ This

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-09-13 15:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Jee'ta wrote:

/shrug.

It's in CCP's interests to keep the toy interesting for as many players as possible, that's sort of where their paycheck comes from. But feel free to suggest there is a moral dimension in there if you like.


Moral's have nothing to do with it.
CCP could have nerfed SC's when the numbers starting getting out of control but the players weren't complaining at that point.

I can just see it now.
CCP - Yeh you all are getting out of hand with this whole building of SC's so we are just going to have to nerf them.

Yeh then you would have heard crying, more like screaming.
No win situation, either let it play out and hope the players wake up or bite the bullet.

Hind site is always 20/20 maybe CCP should have left SC's as they were and let them die out all together.
In the long run it might have been a better idea, even though the players where complaining about a useless ship.

At this point no fix will make everyone happy.

Maybe CCP should just destroy them all and put the pilots in the nearest station with the value of the ship in there pockets.

Or dock every last one in the nearest station.
Then you can either reprocess them or undock and continue on in there new state.

People can decide what to do from there.

Either way it is going to come down to;
If the players can't learn to play then daddy's going to have to step in and take away there toys.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#70 - 2011-09-13 15:41:16 UTC
The main reason the DRF have grown so strong is everyone else just wants ratting systems, not industrial bases. The systems are considered garbage to your average 0.0 alliance.

If the DRF are pushed out of their space it will just go unused, unless Mining is suddenly really popular among goons or whoever it is.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#71 - 2011-09-13 16:03:18 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
The main reason the DRF have grown so strong is everyone else just wants ratting systems, not industrial bases. The systems are considered garbage to your average 0.0 alliance.

If the DRF are pushed out of their space it will just go unused, unless Mining is suddenly really popular among goons or whoever it is.



Another part of the reason is that CCP after this Incarna fiasco is never going to bash on the Bot users and cancel yeat another 5000 accounts.

So Bots plus space crappy for human operated alliance but very mineral rich = Industrial powerhouse with combat balls that spits tons of gear.

This will be fun .


Joffre Tremblant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-09-13 16:08:58 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
It's in CCP's interests to keep the toy interesting for as many players as possible, that's sort of where their paycheck comes from. But feel free to suggest there is a moral dimension in there if you like.


Actually, I can remember people complaining about supercapitals the moment they were introduced. Just because that fact doesn't fit into your artificial timeline of events, doesn't make it not true.
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
#73 - 2011-09-13 16:22:13 UTC
It's kind of funny, the mighty BoB who was lead my sir molle and all the other fell from their God-like status to be nothing more than a Russian pet. Who in EvE saw that one coming?

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2011-09-13 16:24:14 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Wait, I thought BoB, IT, NC, and Goons already won EVE a long time ago?


You're wrong - Curse Alliance won Eve in 2003.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#75 - 2011-09-13 16:31:05 UTC
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The main reason the DRF have grown so strong is everyone else just wants ratting systems, not industrial bases. The systems are considered garbage to your average 0.0 alliance.

If the DRF are pushed out of their space it will just go unused, unless Mining is suddenly really popular among goons or whoever it is.



Another part of the reason is that CCP after this Incarna fiasco is never going to bash on the Bot users and cancel yeat another 5000 accounts.

So Bots plus space crappy for human operated alliance but very mineral rich = Industrial powerhouse with combat balls that spits tons of gear.

This will be fun .




I know it's really hard for some people to accept, but there are many people out there who honestly enjoy mining and manufacturing. I happen to be one of them, and am not a bot as far as i know. It could be one of those Twilight Zone things where i find out later i am in fact a bot, but for now at least i am unaware. I've also never met anyone who bots, but i have met lots of players with large fleets of alts, who keep an eye on local and warp to a POS when a neut arrives, which amusingly is what people think is a sign of a bot.

Honestly, the way claims of bottery are thrown around so freely i'm surprised they're still taken seriously. I know my own experiences have shown these self appointed bot detectors have no idea what they're doing.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2011-09-13 20:49:40 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Once the supercaps get nerfed the DRF will be dealt with.


The 1500 Rifter armada will come save the day?

Roboticus420
Bomber Stelka Dva Titana
#77 - 2011-09-13 21:01:39 UTC
Just like life no one will ever win completely, they used to say old NC would win EVE ROFL and look what happened to them. With every great empire comes a reign of terror an sucess, those who oppose them have to grit there teeth and ride throught the rough. Every seemingly industructable alliance has its downfall or decline don't worry about that.

Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#78 - 2011-09-13 21:11:57 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The main reason the DRF have grown so strong is everyone else just wants ratting systems, not industrial bases. The systems are considered garbage to your average 0.0 alliance.

If the DRF are pushed out of their space it will just go unused, unless Mining is suddenly really popular among goons or whoever it is.



Another part of the reason is that CCP after this Incarna fiasco is never going to bash on the Bot users and cancel yeat another 5000 accounts.

So Bots plus space crappy for human operated alliance but very mineral rich = Industrial powerhouse with combat balls that spits tons of gear.

This will be fun .




I know it's really hard for some people to accept, but there are many people out there who honestly enjoy mining and manufacturing. I happen to be one of them, and am not a bot as far as i know. It could be one of those Twilight Zone things where i find out later i am in fact a bot, but for now at least i am unaware. I've also never met anyone who bots, but i have met lots of players with large fleets of alts, who keep an eye on local and warp to a POS when a neut arrives, which amusingly is what people think is a sign of a bot.

Honestly, the way claims of bottery are thrown around so freely i'm surprised they're still taken seriously. I know my own experiences have shown these self appointed bot detectors have no idea what they're doing.



Yeah, no ****. I've been ordered to fire on 'bots' I was talking to in another channel because 'that person is clearly a bot.'

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."

cyka776
#79 - 2011-09-13 21:14:48 UTC
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Ejit
STD contractors
#80 - 2011-09-13 21:21:20 UTC
Fawcks wrote:
What does DRF mean?


This^ excuse me for being a hi sec n00b but I'm also curious what this is?