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Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1 - 2015-02-04 12:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hilti Enaka
What is driving the inflation of the moon goo?

example

In one month Cadmium has gone from approx.
10,800 to over 15k pu.

Similar to Cobalt, it has gone from:
1,750 to over 2,300 pu.

Chromium is another
3,500 to 4,200
???

When you look forward, advanced materials have a depreciation which makes this moon goo inflation baffling because demand isn't going up or down.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#2 - 2015-02-04 15:39:20 UTC
Possible upcoming moon goo changes? Normal market waves?

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Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2015-02-04 15:55:07 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
Possible upcoming moon goo changes? Normal market waves?


Speculation then? There hasn't been any hint of moon goo change.
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-02-04 16:03:48 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
What is driving the inflation of the moon goo?

example

In one month Cadmium has gone from approx.
10,800 to over 15k pu.

Similar to Cobalt, it has gone from:
1,750 to over 2,300 pu.

Chromium is another
3,500 to 4,200
???

When you look forward, advanced materials have a depreciation which makes this moon goo inflation baffling because demand isn't going up or down.



How do they have a depreciation?
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#5 - 2015-02-04 17:13:12 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Koniforous wrote:
Possible upcoming moon goo changes? Normal market waves?


Speculation then? There hasn't been any hint of moon goo change.

I keep reading posts in the features forum involving bringing comet mining back, and it seems pretty regular that pilots open a new thread on changing moon goo. With the way ccp is driving pos use, I wouldn't be surprises if they eventually changed moon goo harvesting to some sort of temporary spawn, anchor a harvester until its all gone sort of mechanic...

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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-02-04 19:00:54 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Koniforous wrote:
Possible upcoming moon goo changes? Normal market waves?


Speculation then? There hasn't been any hint of moon goo change.

I keep reading posts in the features forum involving bringing comet mining back, and it seems pretty regular that pilots open a new thread on changing moon goo. With the way ccp is driving pos use, I wouldn't be surprises if they eventually changed moon goo harvesting to some sort of temporary spawn, anchor a harvester until its all gone sort of mechanic...



Similar to what they did with ice belts?
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#7 - 2015-02-05 14:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hilti Enaka
Personally, I think moon goo mining is fine the way it is. However to maintain a level of control, when the price of minerals reaches a particular rate a temporary spawning of moon goo occurs allowing a somewhat mechanic to keep things balanced.

It always comes back to this argument of risk vs reward in my books. with poses being a heavy investment in isk and time turning the whole system to a "spawning" mechanic would probably kill a lot of players game time. Even now with high sec ganking being as easy as it is, time in running poses has increased a lot.

You could probably look at oil rigs as a similar thing to Moon mining and try to come up with a game play from that perhaps?

Or think of a way to allow people to make moon goo without having to cap a moon as an alternative game play. similar to how unrefined reactions were meant to work but don't. Unless I am missing something.
Ruezer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-06 05:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruezer
Biggest fluxes have been in cadmium and dysprosium. I've had a hard time figuring out exactly what is causing the changes, but it's made things interesting. I can't really see any major manipulation to cause a rise of 40%+ in cadmium.

EDIT: The thing I see that could cause a rise is a reaction for the past month or so that has been profitable. IMO, things will balance out.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-02-06 16:59:15 UTC
It's my alliance. It's behind it all.

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Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2015-02-06 17:01:35 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Personally, I think moon goo mining is fine the way it is. However to maintain a level of control, when the price of minerals reaches a particular rate a temporary spawning of moon goo occurs allowing a somewhat mechanic to keep things balanced.


I think the term you are looking for is "alchemy"
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-06 17:02:26 UTC
Ruezer wrote:
Biggest fluxes have been in cadmium and dysprosium. I've had a hard time figuring out exactly what is causing the changes, but it's made things interesting. I can't really see any major manipulation to cause a rise of 40%+ in cadmium.

EDIT: The thing I see that could cause a rise is a reaction for the past month or so that has been profitable. IMO, things will balance out.


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Greta T'kunnar
AUEX Ventures
#12 - 2015-03-04 18:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Greta T'kunnar
I think what we are seeing is related to the Crius. Most of the moon minerals that are rising in prices are the ones that aren't profitable as a stand-alone POS operation, but were mined along with the other things the POSes were doing (invention, manufacturing, etc). Since folks are removing their POSes left and right and moving operations to high-sec stations, we are seeing less of all those types of "extra" or "bonus" moon minerals and hence the rise in prices.

And I might add the changes in Phobe which make it more difficult to get any these items out of deep null sec.
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2015-03-05 19:27:24 UTC
Greta T'kunnar wrote:
I think what we are seeing is related to the Crius. Most of the moon minerals that are rising in prices are the ones that aren't profitable as a stand-alone POS operation, but were mined along with the other things the POSes were doing (invention, manufacturing, etc). Since folks are removing their POSes left and right and moving operations to high-sec stations, we are seeing less of all those types of "extra" or "bonus" moon minerals and hence the rise in prices.

And I might add the changes in Phobe which make it more difficult to get any these items out of deep null sec.


So i guess the question to ask is, is there a future of running reactions on dead moons? If CCP seem bent on killing logistic lines with JFT crap then I can T2 being manufactured only in null sec?
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#14 - 2015-03-05 19:28:11 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Personally, I think moon goo mining is fine the way it is. However to maintain a level of control, when the price of minerals reaches a particular rate a temporary spawning of moon goo occurs allowing a somewhat mechanic to keep things balanced.


I think the term you are looking for is "alchemy"


Actually it's not since the damn things aren't profitable with the convention i know of.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-05 19:33:09 UTC
It isn't just moon goo, it's raw mats.

PI Water was at 450 last I checked, a number of the exotic T1 ones like chiral were close to 900 at one point.

It's very possible someone got wind of a material scale back but I'm just guessing like most.
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#16 - 2015-03-07 18:29:30 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
It isn't just moon goo, it's raw mats.

PI Water was at 450 last I checked, a number of the exotic T1 ones like chiral were close to 900 at one point.

It's very possible someone got wind of a material scale back but I'm just guessing like most.


Hmm - well raw materials has taken a somewhat hit with most moon goo taking to a new high whilst the advanced materials are taking a nose dive.

It sure will be interesting to see where the new stable prices will be. My feeling at the moment is that there is a lot of manipulation going on which is screwing with natural balancing. some very strange Sell Orders providing a ceiling and lots of sheep putting their sell orders up for stupid prices.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#17 - 2015-03-08 05:15:27 UTC
Monoeclectic retronewq

yes
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#18 - 2015-03-09 17:46:34 UTC
WOW some horrible manipulation going on at the minute.
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#19 - 2015-03-09 18:20:07 UTC
Goons... http://i.imgur.com/CAALuYF.jpg

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Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#20 - 2015-03-09 18:39:19 UTC
Zahara Cody wrote:
Goons... http://i.imgur.com/CAALuYF.jpg


horrible to look at. LOL
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