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Its the point you make, not the toon you post with. Posting with an alt doesn't give your post less credence so long as you make a good argument and stick to the topic at hand.

Please give me some more detail as to your meaning. I don't want to make assumptions here. Do you mean in an in game military aspect or in experience ?

Grind missions to get in good with an NPC corp that has the medical bay, study to a level 1 skill, and you can amass two or three JCs to play with.

It's a curious question - why do learning implants exist? How can their continued existence be justified? You need them to train your hyperoptimized per/will skillplan as fast as possible, sure, but why should you need them to begin with?

Let me begin by highlighting the problems with learning implants:

• They discourage people from playing EVE. You're still paying your subscription, sure, but you're not playing the game. You don't want to jump to your empty/combat clone and lose a day of "optimal" training so you can have some fun, and then have to jump back to your training clone the next day.
• This affects nullsec (especially wormhole) players doubly so - losing your ship in a bubble is a surefire way to get podded. People in Empire still have a better chance of warping their pods out of harm's way, and thus have no qualms about running missions or otherwise ~flying in space~ with their implants, unless of course they are at war. That, however, is not our playstyle.
• They are seeded exclusively through LP stores rather than being made in-game entirely.
• Characters that need pirate faction implants for any reason (supercapital pilots with slave/nomad sets, freighter/JF pilots with nomads, etc.) are essentially stuck with +3s. But this isn't about pirate implants.

So what I'm proposing is removing learning implants entirely. There is just no need for them. Add 5 base points to every attribute. Remove learning bonuses from all other implants and set all base attributes to 22 points. It's trivial. Leave the Cerebral Accelerator implant as is - 25 "effective" base points for all attributes for the month isn't quite gamebreaking. A refund plan would not even need to be considered - those who had +5 sets will still have the same bonus, those who had +4 sets will have a better bonus, and it doesn't put anyone at a disadvantage.

It's a simple change, it doesn't throw anything out of balance, and it just makes sense. Why the hell not?

So you want to pvp without consequence? Sorry, but this is not what eve is about. Also, if you get podded in highsec then you really shouldn't be pvping. Get a jump clone, problem solved. There are other ways of getting a jumpclone without grinding standing. I don't owe a toon with standing higher then 2. Have about 2-4 clones on each one.

Pvp without consequence? I think it's enough to loose your ship, not having to worry about also loosing implants, or if you are in a JC loosing training time (time is money). I have never been podded in hi-sec, read my post again, I said hi-sec is the only place I pvp (in war decs) because my pod is safe there. If I get a JC I loose training time which is what this whole thread is all about, having to JC and loose training time for a little pvp fun. Then there is a timer so you are stuck in your JC for 24 hours, instead of just being able to JC back after the fight.

And good to know that you have 2-4 clones, I really couldn't care less...