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Do Zero-Tolerance for Botting Alliances Exist?
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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2011-12-22 20:25:02 UTC
Berendas wrote:
[quote=Petrus Blackshell]Disliking it when people cheat doesn't make you a 'white knight.' Thats something that bot users just call people who play by the rules so they can feel like they aren't actually cheating or ruining the game.

The "white knights" are the idiots reporting people who aren't even undocked for botting just because of the alliance they are in.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#42 - 2011-12-22 20:33:15 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
due to trigger-happy white knight types who report everything in sight...



Disliking it when people cheat doesn't make you a 'white knight.' Thats something that bot users just call people who play by the rules so they can feel like they aren't actually cheating or ruining the game.


Yes, confirming I am disappointed about alliances allowing bot use because I'm a bot user myself. That's how everything works.

No, "white knight types" as I was referring to them are people who think they're the force of justice in the world and spot criminal behavior in everyone around them, overzealously causing mayhem and drama. Should I have instead said quixotic?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#43 - 2011-12-22 20:33:53 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Berendas wrote:
[quote=Petrus Blackshell]Disliking it when people cheat doesn't make you a 'white knight.' Thats something that bot users just call people who play by the rules so they can feel like they aren't actually cheating or ruining the game.

The "white knights" are the idiots reporting people who aren't even undocked for botting just because of the alliance they are in.


Nah, those guys are just utter assholes.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2011-12-22 20:42:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Spend a few minutes on dotlan and you will find many systems in null where you will have only a small amount of jumps in the last 24 hrs but a very high number of NPC's kills.

For example found a system Pure Blind where it is only showing 9 jump but 696 NPC's kills in the last 24 hours.

Its numbers like this which make people question whether CCP are indeed serious in clamping down / stopping RMT and Botting.



I guess first I'd have to question how Dotlan parses system jumps, primarily, does it parse people that arrive via jump bridge.

Then you'd have to take into account if that system has a station in it, or a friendly pos for the denizens of that system (which im sure it does) depending on the true sec of the system, with an outpost, its entirely possible that players dont leave that system, as most tend to rat where the can at least have an in system outpost/station to run back to and either drop off loot, or buy more ammo.

700 NPC Kills in 24 hours is about 20 Havens/Sanctums. Each taking a tengu about 30 minutes to complete.. Given that, i'm sure you'd find this more then reasonable.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#45 - 2011-12-22 20:52:42 UTC
Xolve wrote:

I guess first I'd have to question how Dotlan parses system jumps, primarily, does it parse people that arrive via jump bridge.


It's whatever the API reports. All hail the API. Even if it is a little vague about what defines a jump.

Xolve wrote:

Then you'd have to take into account if that system has a station in it, or a friendly pos for the denizens of that system (which im sure it does) depending on the true sec of the system, with an outpost, its entirely possible that players dont leave that system, as most tend to rat where the can at least have an in system outpost/station to run back to and either drop off loot, or buy more ammo.

700 NPC Kills in 24 hours is about 20 Havens/Sanctums. Each taking a tengu about 30 minutes to complete.. Given that, i'm sure you'd find this more then reasonable.


Remember there's asteroid belts, too. Estimating 5 rats per belt, that's 700 / 5 / 23 = 6 belts per hour on average. 10 minutes to complete a belt is rather reasonable. Combine that with any Havens/Sanctums in the system and you've got a bearing system that is being used to its full potential, the low number of jumps seems suspicious for how much it's being used, but as Xolve said, stations and JBs might count into it.

If they don't, then head over to that system in a PvP ship and see how many of these "bear all day" people you can kill. They can't all be bots Twisted

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Prince Kobol
#46 - 2011-12-22 20:59:10 UTC
In regards to the system in Pure Blind - 9 Jumps and 686 NPC kills in 24 hours.

No Stations and a system rating of -0.08

The system in Fountain 21 Jumps / 1486 NPC kills in 24 hours

No Station and a system rating of -0.22

Again I am not accusing anyone of doing anything, however would you say that if CCP are serious about clamping down on botters, would these kind of numbers warrant investigation?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#47 - 2011-12-22 21:03:30 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
In regards to the system in Pure Blind - 9 Jumps and 686 NPC kills in 24 hours.

No Stations and a system rating of -0.08

The system in Fountain 21 Jumps / 1486 NPC kills in 24 hours

No Station and a system rating of -0.22

Again I am not accusing anyone of doing anything, however would you say that if CCP are serious about clamping down on botters, would these kind of numbers warrant investigation?


Eeww -0.08.

Don't anomaly spawns depend on system upgrades, though? But yes, those do sound suspicious. Check there for bots -> report them -> have fuzzy feelings about improving Eve for everyone.

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Prince Kobol
#48 - 2011-12-22 21:06:36 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
In regards to the system in Pure Blind - 9 Jumps and 686 NPC kills in 24 hours.

No Stations and a system rating of -0.08

The system in Fountain 21 Jumps / 1486 NPC kills in 24 hours

No Station and a system rating of -0.22

Again I am not accusing anyone of doing anything, however would you say that if CCP are serious about clamping down on botters, would these kind of numbers warrant investigation?


Eeww -0.08.

Don't anomaly spawns depend on system upgrades, though? But yes, those do sound suspicious. Check there for bots -> report them -> have fuzzy feelings about improving Eve for everyone.


I honestly do not know which is why I ask the question Big smile

As for checking the system I would die long before I get there lol
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#49 - 2011-12-22 21:06:38 UTC
Oh and don't brag. If you report a bot don't go around saying "PETRUS BLACKSHELL WAS TOTES USING A BOT AND I REPORTED HIM LOLOL SERVES THE ******* RIGHT".

Avoid the drama.

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Beaches
#50 - 2011-12-22 21:09:41 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Berendas wrote:
[quote=Petrus Blackshell]Disliking it when people cheat doesn't make you a 'white knight.' Thats something that bot users just call people who play by the rules so they can feel like they aren't actually cheating or ruining the game.

The "white knights" are the idiots reporting people who aren't even undocked for botting just because of the alliance they are in.



You clearly don't know what a white knight is. I hate it when people see something used on the internet that has a very real actual meaning and then apply it completely incorrectly.

Jesus Christ, it's even on urban dictionary... it's even on any historical reference or any definition or piece of knowledge anywhere for that matter.

Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#51 - 2011-12-22 21:14:37 UTC
Beaches wrote:

Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO


Confirming Ladie Harlot is the cancer that is killing the Eve Forums.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2011-12-22 21:37:42 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Beaches wrote:

Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO


Confirming Ladie Harlot is the cancer that is killing the Eve Forums.



I heard there was a community-based alliance for bad posters out there..
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-12-22 21:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Topaz Sky wrote:
CCP devs are apparently in the goons and goons have an open goon-botting tolerance policy, so clearly not.

Nice tinfoil hat. Goonswarm was one of the unnamed alliances I mentioned, which I believe (according to my sources) has a "don't report bots" policy. It's not "bots are okay" but it's effectively that anyway. The reason that is put in place is because of idiots who would go through friendly systems reporting every single ratter for botting, which causes unnecessary drama and headaches for everyone. Even worse if those friendly systems are in an ally's space, not the own alliance's space.

I mean, it's understandable, but sort of sad. And that doesn't answer my question either way.

Actually, the policy is don't shoot bots (because you don't actually know it is a bot, you can only assume). We don't give a flying **** if someone reports a bot.

Actually, I believe there has been cases of some testie reporting every goon (or everyone non-test) flying through fountain, though, and I'm not sure if that was something he told the guys he reported about it, or if he just did it silently, but there were some drama there.

Edit: Ah.
Xolve wrote:
And the 'No Bot Reporting' rule originated in TEST when a bunch of mouthbreathers were mad about the sanctum nerf and couldn't find an empty one to harvest interstellar ***-gold from. So they started reporting people who were honestly just ratting to get them a temp ban until an investigation was completed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#54 - 2011-12-22 22:01:42 UTC
Yup. Frankly, part of the issue is apparently that people don't take reporting seriously enough. Flooding CCP with reports hampers them as much as nobody reporting does.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2011-12-22 22:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Cipher Jones wrote:
Funny you run your mouth about how I'm not on "other forums", but you can go to those other forums and read all about who bots and who doesn't, and even buy ISK.

You should be a "journalist" for Fox News.


Yep I have access to forums that in turn, have access to alliance financials; I should most certainly be punished and subject to immediate scorn for aligning myself with an online organization that wants transparency with its members.

I don't give a **** about botters, I don't care who RMT's... Honestly with the amount of effort you plebes put into this tin foil hattery, you could potentially realize there are better things to do then worry about what people are doing in areas of the game your afraid to step foot into.

Your as bad as that old ***** down the street- who sits around all day and counts how many times everyone in the neighborhood pisses, eats and fucks.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#56 - 2011-12-22 22:21:25 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Funny you run your mouth about how I'm not on "other forums", but you can go to those other forums and read all about who bots and who doesn't, and even buy ISK.

You should be a "journalist" for Fox News.


Yep I have access to forums that in turn, have access to alliance financials; I should most certainly be punished and subject to immediate scorn for aligning myself with an online organization that wants transparency with its members.

I don't give a **** about botters, I don't care who RMT's... Honestly with the amount of effort you plebes put into this tin foil hattery, you could potentially realize there are better things to do then worry about what people are doing in areas of the game your afraid to step foot into.

Your as bad as that old ***** down the street- who sits around all day and counts how many times everyone in the neighborhood pisses, eats and fucks.


You sound mad. You mad?

Confirming all of us are afraid to step into 0.0 and that's why we ***** about game abuse that affects everyone regardless of location.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2011-12-22 22:36:37 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:


You sound mad. You mad?

Confirming all of us are afraid to step into 0.0 and that's why we ***** about game abuse that affects everyone regardless of location.


I was speaking directly to Cipher Jones.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#58 - 2011-12-22 22:37:53 UTC
Xolve wrote:

I was speaking directly to Cipher Jones.

Oh okay

/retract trolling

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#59 - 2011-12-22 23:29:57 UTC
:please don your tin foil hats before proceeding further:

Is there any proof that "report bot" has been used by CCP as more than a "feel good feature" for legitmate players?
Have there been any bots banned by CCP after having been reported using that tool?

As far as I know, CCP won't release any information along those lines. If they won't do that, then it is impossible to determine if the "report bot" feature is even valid. It may be that CCP put it there with no intention of ever using it beyond it fooling the gullible into thinking it is a legitimate way to get CCP to take action. Outside of CCP stepping in and showing proof, not just a dev post saying "yes we do", the community is left in the dark about it. As a result, speculation, accusation, and treachery will abound.




Profit favors the prepared
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-12-22 23:38:55 UTC
Beaches wrote:
Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO

I have more likes than you.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.