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L4 Raven Navy Issue help please!

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Defarge
Outfit 418
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#1 - 2015-03-07 17:31:24 UTC
Seem to be having issues tanking L4s in my navy issue Raven and I'm not sure why, fitting is as follows.

Caldari Navy BCS (x4)
Cap power relay II

Pith b-type x-large shield booster
caldari navy shield boost amp
kinetic deflection amp II
thermic dissipation field II
EM ward field II
target painter II
sensor booster II w/ range script
Cruise missile launcher II x 8 w/ t2 missiles
Large capacitor control circuit I x3.

The issue seems to be the incoming damage yet I can figure out any way to negate this. On a lvl 4 mission I warp in, am able to take down 6-7 rats before having to dock to regen cap and shields since mine were bled dry. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Tried the whole sniping thing but since I'm running Caldari Navy missions I often end up fighting guristas and the range thing seems to mean nothing. DPS doesn't seem an issue, sitting at 934.3 dps at the moment. Go easy on me please, still so green!
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#2 - 2015-03-07 17:52:07 UTC
Defarge wrote:
Seem to be having issues tanking L4s in my navy issue Raven and I'm not sure why, fitting is as follows.

Caldari Navy BCS (x4)
Cap power relay II

Pith b-type x-large shield booster
caldari navy shield boost amp
kinetic deflection amp II
thermic dissipation field II
EM ward field II
target painter II
sensor booster II w/ range script
Cruise missile launcher II x 8 w/ t2 missiles
Large capacitor control circuit I x3.

The issue seems to be the incoming damage yet I can figure out any way to negate this. On a lvl 4 mission I warp in, am able to take down 6-7 rats before having to dock to regen cap and shields since mine were bled dry. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Tried the whole sniping thing but since I'm running Caldari Navy missions I often end up fighting guristas and the range thing seems to mean nothing. DPS doesn't seem an issue, sitting at 934.3 dps at the moment. Go easy on me please, still so green!


Vs guristas:
Start by changing
ur kinetic hardener to active hardener
Your em hardener to a kinetic hardener
And remove your power cap relay as it lowers your shield boost amount
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#3 - 2015-03-07 18:17:52 UTC
Defarge wrote:
Seem to be having issues tanking L4s in my navy issue Raven and I'm not sure why, fitting is as follows.

Caldari Navy BCS (x4)
Cap power relay II

Pith b-type x-large shield booster
caldari navy shield boost amp
kinetic deflection amp II
thermic dissipation field II
EM ward field II
target painter II
sensor booster II w/ range script
Cruise missile launcher II x 8 w/ t2 missiles
Large capacitor control circuit I x3.

The issue seems to be the incoming damage yet I can figure out any way to negate this. On a lvl 4 mission I warp in, am able to take down 6-7 rats before having to dock to regen cap and shields since mine were bled dry. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Tried the whole sniping thing but since I'm running Caldari Navy missions I often end up fighting guristas and the range thing seems to mean nothing. DPS doesn't seem an issue, sitting at 934.3 dps at the moment. Go easy on me please, still so green!


Why the hell are you trying to tank rats in a Raven? Replace your crap with this fit instead:

[Raven Navy Issue, Raver]

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
X-Large Shield Booster II
Ionic Field Accelerator I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Now enemies shouldn't even be able to touch you. In my opinion, a normal Raven with a similar fit is far more cost-effective. You should only fly the Navy Raven if you like camo in space, which I do not.
Nycha
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-03-07 19:52:39 UTC
Try this:

[Raven Navy Issue, Guristas Defarge]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Defarge
Outfit 418
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#5 - 2015-03-07 22:21:33 UTC
Suppose this is where I hit trouble, so many different fits that seem viable! :) Thanks for the advice gang, will sort it out tomorrow now as I've just finished work and I'm beat.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-03-07 23:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
FoF Navy Raven

7x t2 cruise missile launcher, fof kinetic cruise missiles (use rat specific cruise missiles)

1x lmjd
1x kinetic resist (use rat specific resist)
1x thermal resist (use rat specific resist)
1x target painter
1x invulnerability field
1x x-large shield booster
1x shield boost amplifier

4x bcs
1x dc

3x rigor rigs

some light scout drones and some salvage drones

Tactic.
Warp in. Manually get your ship flying away from the rats (tactical overlay is very useful here). Get agro, either rats attack you or use tp to get rats to attack you. Open fire with your auto targeting cruise missiles. Activate LMJD and jump 100 km away from rats. Keep shooting rats until they are all dead or until you need to jump another 100 km (LMJD has 3 minutes cool down period, so you can jump 100 km every 3 minutes). Use tp, drones on rat spider drones.

Notes.
With maxed out skills auto targeting cruise missiles have range of 220-228 km and you don't need to lock your targets so all the targeting range modes such as sensor booster and sensor amplifier are useless, just fit gank, tank and lmjd.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2015-03-08 04:28:49 UTC
Nobody has asked about skills, so I will.

How are your cap skills
How are your shield skills


Also:
I don't agree with a sensor booster at all.
A Raven can target 7 ships. You can surely keep your menu full after the first lock.
I guess MJD fits might need it, but I never have to leave level IV's. I kill the BS and drones kill the small stuff.
I do have an overtanked fit though... I don't mission for isk efficiency though, I mission to chill and kill time, stress free.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-03-08 04:43:47 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Nobody has asked about skills, so I will.

How are your cap skills
How are your shield skills


Also:
I don't agree with a sensor booster at all.
A Raven can target 7 ships. You can surely keep your menu full after the first lock.
I guess MJD fits might need it, but I never have to leave level IV's. I kill the BS and drones kill the small stuff.
I do have an overtanked fit though... I don't mission for isk efficiency though, I mission to chill and kill time, stress free.

The sensor booster is about pathetic targeting range that raven has. 93 km is not very far for cruise missile. Navy Scorp has something like 114 or 120 km targeting range so you don't usually see targeting range mods on it. Raven, on the other hand, needs targeting range mods, IF you use regular cruise missiles.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Defarge
Outfit 418
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#9 - 2015-03-08 07:15:59 UTC
Be gentle with me! ;-)

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Defarge

Trained for the auto targeting cruise missiles and mjd last night so will be trying that out this morning. Also got a few missions that weren't guristas and managed to sail through it almost without turning my shield repper on.
Defarge
Outfit 418
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#10 - 2015-03-08 09:39:15 UTC
Ok so currently on third mission using Caleidascope's suggestion of mjd'ing out and sniping back with auto targeting cruise missiles and I must say it's make missions a breeze. Don't think I've been hit once in the last three missions. Can't say that's my problem solved though as the dps is rather slow and it's taking 30 minutes or so to get a multi-room mission done. Fantastic advice from the community so far though so thanks everyone! Noticed on another thread people are claiming to make 100mil hourly on lvl 4 missions, is this accurate? in 2 and a quarter I've made 30 mil :P
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#11 - 2015-03-08 09:58:01 UTC
Defarge wrote:
Ok so currently on third mission using Caleidascope's suggestion of mjd'ing out and sniping back with auto targeting cruise missiles and I must say it's make missions a breeze. Don't think I've been hit once in the last three missions. Can't say that's my problem solved though as the dps is rather slow and it's taking 30 minutes or so to get a multi-room mission done. Fantastic advice from the community so far though so thanks everyone! Noticed on another thread people are claiming to make 100mil hourly on lvl 4 missions, is this accurate? in 2 and a quarter I've made 30 mil :P


It's accurate. Keep in mind they're measuring bounty + loyalty point values. If ur looking to min/max though, missiles really aren't the way to do it.

For your situation, make sure you're using rigor rigs and firing the correct damage type. Also esp with a ranged fit, make sure to turn ur launchers off at the right time. For example, if you fire a volley that will wreck a target and your missile flight time is greater than your launcher cycle time, if your launchers arnt manually turned off you'll waste dps by launching a volley that doesn't have anything to hit
Defarge
Outfit 418
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#12 - 2015-03-08 10:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Defarge
Very good point Chaos, thanks. If I do stick with this setup I could drop out my 3 cap recharge rigs straight away and head for more dps. I hope you guys don't mind me slightly altering the topic, but on the point of DPS as a sniping BS I know I'm using the wrong drones. As you can probably tell from my eveboard link my drone skills are terrible. Should I be aiming for sentry drones straight away? would t1 sentry drones be better than t2 lights or mediums? I ask this because it seems Auto-aiming missiles fire at the closest target so it seems to go for the frigs first anyway so my drones just sat idle the last 4 missions.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#13 - 2015-03-08 12:41:14 UTC
Defarge wrote:
Be gentle with me! ;-)

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Defarge

Trained for the auto targeting cruise missiles and mjd last night so will be trying that out this morning. Also got a few missions that weren't guristas and managed to sail through it almost without turning my shield repper on.


First thing to do is to get some skills closer to maxed or at least to level 4;
- Caldari Battleship (will help application and projection)
- Cruise Missile Spec (helps with ROF/DPS)
- Shield Compensation (lowers cap use of shield boosters, critical for a pulse fit)
- Micro Jump Drive Operation (reduces "warm-up" timer when using an MJD, faster GTFO when needed)

Some skills you don't seem to have that could help include;
- Signature Focusing (improves target painters sig increase)
- Long Distance Jamming (among other EWAR mods, increases optimal range of target painters)
- Frequency Modulation (same thing but for falloff)

Finally, I would look into getting a Crystal Set for your Implant 1-5 slots. They are not the cheapest things around, but would be a good investment if you're going to run in a shield tanked ship like a CNR and you can get the ones you can afford now and the rest later.

PS, also, I haven't been in a CNR for a while, but I'd say keep moving as well. Unlike a Golem for instance that will just sit in place "come at me, brah" style, ships like the CNR need to keep moving to reduce some of the incoming damage. The great thing about the CNR is that keeping your speed up won't adversely impact your firepower unlike a gunboat. Dropping an MTU or throwing a missile overboard and orbiting them at a couple kilometers or so will help to reduce pressure on your tank.

PPS and stay away from SPRs on a shield boosting ship like the CNR, they are bad for active shield fits.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2015-03-08 13:58:39 UTC
Have you tried a Rattlesnake? With decent Lvl 4 skills it easily puts out 1400+ dps to 100km.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Defarge
Outfit 418
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#15 - 2015-03-08 14:08:01 UTC
I haven't actually considered a rattlesnake, would the fit/strat be similar? rather green I'm afraid Lol
Defarge
Outfit 418
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#16 - 2015-03-08 14:11:03 UTC
Using the strategy suggested by kalei I'm getting through 2 missions an hour or so and only clearing 25-30mil (without looting/salvaging) Nice that I'm actually finishing them so have progressed well at the minute but would like to now optimize and perhaps increase earnings.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2015-03-08 14:23:40 UTC
Defarge wrote:
I haven't actually considered a rattlesnake, would the fit/strat be similar? rather green I'm afraid Lol

The Rattlesnake is more skill-intensive, as you need to specialize in two weapon systems. However, even with L4 skills in drones and missiles it cranks out well over 1200+ DPS to 90km. The hull cost is also about 2/3's that of a Navy Raven, it has more buffer and higher shield resists. Here's a quick fit:

5x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Fury Inferno or Scourge)
Drone Link Augmentor II
2x Warden II, 2x Bouncer II, 2x Curator II, 5x Hobgoblin II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (optimal range script)
Phased Weapon Navigation Array

3x Ballistic Control II
3x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor

If you run into CPU issues, drop the 3rd Ballistic Control for a Co-Processor II. Use Sentries with the target painter for cruisers and frigates, and you can just shoot the battleships straight with Furies (the rigors will ensure near-100% damage application). The 5 light drones are just for dealing with the occasional frigate that makes it past. Some players prefer a Large Micro Jump Drive instead of a MWD, so it's really personal preference (I just use the MWD to get between gets and pickup the occasional cargo).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2015-03-08 14:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Defarge wrote:
Using the strategy suggested by kalei I'm getting through 2 missions an hour or so and only clearing 25-30mil (without looting/salvaging) Nice that I'm actually finishing them so have progressed well at the minute but would like to now optimize and perhaps increase earnings.

I can typically clear about 60-million (mission rewards, bounties and 50% return on LP) per hour in a slightly blinged fit. 100-million+ if I loot/salvage. Since the Rattlesnake only receives bonuses to thermic and kinetic missiles, you really only need to carry a few thousand Inferno/Scourge Furies (Scourge for Guristas, Angel and Serpentis; Inferno for everything else). One way to maximize on your ISK/hour is to bring 3-4 MTUs along (mobile tractor units). Drop them at applicable points during the mission(s), bookmark and retrieve with a fast transport (I like the Sigil as it has enough base cargo space to collect for a half dozen missions, has excellent warp speed and is dirt cheap). You can also use a Noctis, and the ability to salvage (instead of just snagging the loot) will probably pay for itself in a few evenings.

Honestly, I've tried every battleship for L4s and nothing beats the Rattlesnake. Even though sentry drones seem like they don't do a lot of damage, it's the damage application that matters. Sentries can insta-pop most frigates and even cruisers will typically only withstand a few volleys. With missiles you're getting +50% free damage, which means a lot less ammunition consumption (second only to a Golem; the Barghest only gets +25% and the Navy Raven gets zero).

The fit I run delivers over 1500+ dps with 100% damage application out to 95km against the aforementioned targets. EHP is around 85k and it's cap stable. If you run with Ascendancy implants you can get the warp speed up to over 3 AU/s which makes a huge difference as well.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Defarge
Outfit 418
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#19 - 2015-03-08 14:51:05 UTC
Do you think my skill set is ok for the rattlesnake? Just want a fit where I'm pulling in a decent amount of cash. 40mil so far today and I've been on awhile :/ Do have 50k lp I've not cashed in yet so may look at that now.
Defarge
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#20 - 2015-03-08 15:13:54 UTC
Am on for a good few more hours if anyone feels like contacting me in game ;-) still confused on which direction to head in really. None are a quick-fix and will involve more weeks of training.
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