Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well then i wish fozzy a lot fun with this game - i'm out then

Ive been saying that all this time. Cloaks are not an issue in wspace. Local channel is the issue.

same interview; CCP is moving supers to being on grid but non damaging force multipliers – much like enhanced bonus ships. Where they are a few per battle to affect the grid – like ECM bursts, wormhole type effects, in system mobility (like micro jump bridges), etc. - See more at: http://evenews24.com/2015/03/07/eve-2-0-an-economy-of-violence/#sthash.4FjVQ3Ba.dpuf


i'd guess that that will also be the end of off grid boosting

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You complain about me not being able to comprehend the entire picture.
When was the last time you jumped in a cloaked ship, and harassed enemy PvE?
While I expect you also have experience in null PvE, as I do, I have yet to see anything from you approaching empathy for the player using a cloak in hostile territory.
You cannot maintain game balance, by catering only to the needs on one side of this.

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You over-simplify, and ignore how players adapt in the process.
Off grid cynos are not affected at all, as the spool-up happens unknown to hostile view.
Multiple decoy cynos could also be used to draw fire in fleet fights, even when additional ships are not being brought in.
Cheap, heavily tanked frigates, they can seem important.
Possible variations:
To truly make it simple, the spool-up could be linked to having a fitted cloak being present.
Alternately, the spool up effect could be tied to a system upgrade.

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Not all share your views, but I can appreciate wanting a more acceptable mechanic which more players could embrace.
The problem of AFK cloaking really comes down to two factors:
1. Expectation that PvE ships cannot toe to toe fight against the hostile, on a 1v1 basis.
2. Expectation of overwhelming force through hot dropping.

Cancel those and we have the answer.

Good bet is that they don't see it as a broken mechanic. As a start.

Would also recommend everyone give that cast a listen as it's quite informative.

Its funny when people think something is broken because it counters their gameplay. This game is all about counters. People say ECM is broken, bit it does what it is supposed to do. Cloaking works fine. Its not broken.

So it took 1 year and 10 months for CCP/ISD after the lock to realize my thread was actually a good idea.

Good job guys.

1. Current state of affairs has shown this to be true. That's why we have different fits for pvp and pve, and why we use select damage types and tactics when hunting ratters.

2. If you don't expect it, you're gonna have a bad day.

Translation: I have a right to this ISK. I shouldn't have to work for it if I get sov, declaring it "my money system" and worthy of absolute safety.

In wormholes, you declare a system "our money system" by kicking everyone else out, putting a POS on every damn moon in the system, scanning constantly, having bubbles and multi-sebo Interceptors constantly on hand to grab crashers and frigates, and doing almost everything in your home in a group for cross-support and reaction. You also sit in space unless you're logged off.

THAT is how you own a system.

There are differences, working like wormhole space would not be ideal, talking in local whilst cloaked, would feed the griefing paranoia, and defeat the purpose of the change.
The proposal above is quite clear, whilst a covert ops or other cloak is on, the ship and pilot completely disappears from all intel sources including Local.
This means that the pilot DOES appear in local when Jumping into system, even if holding gate cloak, or anywhere in system when disabling cloak, giving valuable seconds of warning for active alert players to realise a cloaky has come into system or before a potential incoming cyno. Even if the cloaky ship is off grid activating a covert one, for a recon bounce attack to a bookmark. (You, the target).
If you are aware that a cloaky came in from your scouts on gate, or by paying attention, then an identified character suddenly appearing in local means "get out now" ships incoming.

It is not much of a warning but enough to give active aware pilots a chance to escape.
It actually gives you significantly more useful intel than now.
At first glance one would think of it as a disadvantage, when thinking further you will realise, it actually is a significant advantage, as it removes the "noise" and you know exactly what you are dealing with, if you make the effort to know what is going on in your system. You now have an option to be in space, with a chance to get out in time, if suddenly, that camper turns active.

If wormhole local worked like this proposal, death rates would reduce by 90%
We however like our death rate, you are being offered a much safer implementation.