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Petition: Remove Slaves from the SCC Markets.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-03-07 20:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
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But if you truly cared about the slaves you would sign the petition so we can prevent **** like that from happening again


Signing this petition or not would not change anything with regards to lunatics murdering people whether they are 'legally' owned or not.

As stated by Samira I have made my point and counter proposal. To my mind the complete abolishment of slavery *is* the only option that would help as you can't make such a state of existence 'less slavey' or own 'happy slaves'.

Others will obviously do as they will but in all conscience (an odd concept for many capsuleers admittedly) I could not let such a petition go by without voicing my concerns and opinion. I will simply keep releasing any slaves I find in the meantime and give them freedom to live as they wish on my colonies. I may not be able to change an Empire's policies but I can do everything else within my power to change the lives of those I come in contact with.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#42 - 2015-03-07 20:53:52 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me.

Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side.
Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#43 - 2015-03-07 21:46:22 UTC
Signed, and may this cause us to reflect on the morality of slavery overall.

Samira Kernher wrote:
And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect.


And what of fellow Amarrians who call for abolition?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#44 - 2015-03-07 22:22:53 UTC
Signed.

Though keep in mind a lot of slaves on the SCC market are not "Amarrian" slaves but ones captured by Angel Cartel and other slavers.

-Eran
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-03-07 22:49:39 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me.

Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side.

I have no slaves. And if you spoke for the proposal, then you were helping my argument.

Eran Mintor wrote:

Though keep in mind a lot of slaves on the SCC market are not "Amarrian" slaves but ones captured by Angel Cartel and other slavers.

My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#46 - 2015-03-07 22:58:15 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me.

Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side.

I have no slaves.

Apologies. Must be all these mass generalizations flying about.
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#47 - 2015-03-07 23:24:57 UTC
Dutarro wrote:
Signed, and may this cause us to reflect on the morality of slavery overall.

Samira Kernher wrote:
And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect.


And what of fellow Amarrians who call for abolition?



This would not be the place to discuss it.
Blue spy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-03-08 01:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Blue spy
Ridiculous!

This petition is an attempt by petty ideologues from both the Minmatar and Amarrian side of this debate to force a neutral financial entity whose purview is to oversee our markets for the betterment of all, to adopt a distinctively partisan stance for the benefit of some.

If the Amarrian holders want to be the only dealers in slaves they should compete on the free market like everybody else. What next? Should we ban all non-caldari missiles, or give the Federation a monopoly on soft-drinks because its culturally significant to them?

Keep your religion and politics out of my market!
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#49 - 2015-03-08 01:11:22 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.


Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2015-03-08 01:23:03 UTC
Signed!

And go away Nauplius.
Blue spy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-03-08 01:23:10 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.


Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.


If we can band together and protect our free market it might never have to come to that. Support your local non-holder slave dealers, people.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#52 - 2015-03-08 01:25:47 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.


Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.


So you'd buy your slaves off of a group with a notably large Matari Population? Even down to having a bastardized version of the Matari tattooing rituals? Wow.....
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#53 - 2015-03-08 01:50:16 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.


Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.


Okay.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2015-03-08 02:15:38 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them.

Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves.


My opinion is congruent with that of Admiral Blake on this matter.

No blanket bans. Merely introduce proper checks and balances.
Thea Isotalo
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-03-08 02:20:32 UTC
Albizu Zateki wrote:

Less slaves? I say more slaves!



This is why we don't....This...

This is why you got fired!

I know we're supposed to be allies of the Amarr and all, but seriously. How much longer does the State have to be complicit in a perpetual crime against humanity?

SIGNED. But you people really need to get a new religion.

BRCE: Mission Statement!
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-03-08 02:35:27 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them.

Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves.


My opinion is congruent with that of Admiral Blake on this matter.

No blanket bans. Merely introduce proper checks and balances.

Trying to change the SCC is a futile gesture that results in nothing but good feelings for having tried.
Changing the policy of the Imperial and Khanid institutions that sell slaves on the SCC market is a much more attainable and specific goal.
If you or Admiral Blake have a plan that is achievable, measurable and specific, I would love to hear it.
Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2015-03-08 05:24:12 UTC
/ signed

Lady Shalee Lianne
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Bel Boma
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2015-03-08 05:29:25 UTC
Okay, people.

No one cares about your stance on slavery, neither for nor against.

The thread does not exist for you to voice your opinions on the matter. Either sign or don't. Debate about it elsewhere.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-03-08 05:38:06 UTC
Signed, and forwarded for consideration to other interested members of Low-Class. The SCC market should *not* have standing orders for a "commodity" that is considered contraband in multiple empires -- it's a subtle endorsement of the slave trade by the SCC, which I strongly doubt is their intent.

How would you feel if the SCC put standing sell orders for Drop up in, say, Jorund or Poitot?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#60 - 2015-03-08 07:02:25 UTC
All of my support, if for no other reason then it would inconvenience Nauppie. Also, obligatory: slavery is bad, grr.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.