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Why do players create hauling contracts?
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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-03-07 00:38:35 UTC
To be honest I'm more surprised that people accept those hauling contracts.
I certainly wouldn't fly half way across the galaxy in a freighter for just a few million isk.
Death Man1
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-03-07 05:20:53 UTC
Because time is money and not everyone has the skills for a freighter.

Jack Hayson wrote:
To be honest I'm more surprised that people accept those hauling contracts.
I certainly wouldn't fly half way across the galaxy in a freighter for just a few million isk.


Ehh. Some charge 10m a haul and others charge 20m-30m. A hulk makes what 1.5m isk every two cycles? So that's what three minutes with full boosts?
Gallinari
PJ Ind.
#23 - 2015-03-07 05:26:12 UTC
Everyone has pretty much answered you to death already so no need to go on, theres a million reasons to contract out a hauler.

Jack Hayson wrote:
To be honest I'm more surprised that people accept those hauling contracts.
I certainly wouldn't fly half way across the galaxy in a freighter for just a few million isk.


I agree, I am a hauler and I don't touch those contracts. I haul for about a mil per jump and then depending on the collateral above 1bil it multiplies on that (ie: 2x for 2bil, 5x for 5bil per jump). There's def money to be made, especially in owning a JFer.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-03-07 10:55:19 UTC
Gallinari wrote:
Everyone has pretty much answered you to death already so no need to go on, theres a million reasons to contract out a hauler.

Jack Hayson wrote:
To be honest I'm more surprised that people accept those hauling contracts.
I certainly wouldn't fly half way across the galaxy in a freighter for just a few million isk.


I agree, I am a hauler and I don't touch those contracts. I haul for about a mil per jump and then depending on the collateral above 1bil it multiplies on that (ie: 2x for 2bil, 5x for 5bil per jump). There's def money to be made, especially in owning a JFer.


While partially true, it isn't best paying stuff.

I've done it on an alt a while (doing public aswel as Push and RFF contracts), and sure, it is income, but it isn't much vs the time you spent doing it.

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Nerath Naaris
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#25 - 2015-03-07 12:10:52 UTC
Hauling is extremly cheap, imo. I would say around 1% of the colateral while you can transfer all the risk to the third party.
I have bought skillbooks with a LOT more markup in the same station from a player instead of flying the 2 jumps to buy it from an NPC.

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Tau Cabalander
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Working Stiffs
#26 - 2015-03-07 16:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jack Hayson wrote:
To be honest I'm more surprised that people accept those hauling contracts.
I certainly wouldn't fly half way across the galaxy in a freighter for just a few million isk.

That's not how it works.

If I'm traveling from "A" to "B" and I have space for some more cargo, and don't have to deviate too much from my route to pick it up or drop it off, then I'll accept any reasonable contract. It is "free" ISK.

There are freighters constantly traveling between trade hubs, but often only have a load to carry in one direction. Smart pilots never travel empty.

A friend in Red Frog earns billions (>20) a month by AFK hauling 23/7 with an army of PLEXed freighter alts. He's not even concerned about losses or ransoms, since Red Frog insures the haulers.

Sometimes I'll except every contract in rookie systems, just to help out.

I currently own four Charon freighters and two Rhea jump freighters; you get used to the (lack of) speed... and I never AFK haul.
Aaril
Interstellar Consulting Group
#27 - 2015-03-07 23:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaril
My corporation is constantly at war. Every major trade hub is camped. I decided to base out of a nearby system and just use an alt to purchase my goods. I then make a courier contract to Red Frog and they happily (I hope) courier my goods back and forth for a very cheap sum.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#28 - 2015-03-08 01:09:24 UTC
I outsource all of my hauling, because I can make someone else take all of the risk of moving goods and only give them a tiny fraction of the profits.

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Brink Albosa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-03-08 15:23:55 UTC
A guy like me ain't welcome in high sec no more so I appreciate the haulers that bring me my market orders.

Support your local outlaw. Do public courier contracts.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-03-09 22:51:31 UTC
I actually tend to use Red Frog rather than making my own contracts.

I contract out haulage because:

1) I do not have the skill to fly freighters so the biggest load I can move in one trip is 60,000 m3 in my mastodon.
2) I would not fly a freighter enough to ever pay off the billion plus price tag anyway
3) I regularly move a plex worth of PI at a time and prefer not risking it myself
4) My main can easily earn 50 - 100 mill an hour so spending an hour moving freight is not worth my while

Other people HAUL freight because:

1) With the right ship/fit and route you can do it afk while logged in to another character or even away from your pc altogether and hopefully make more ISK than you lose in ships occasionally destroyed
2) for newer low SP players haulage returns an OK ISK/hour compared to other new player activities
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#31 - 2015-03-10 01:00:56 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I actually tend to use Red Frog rather than making my own contracts.

I contract out haulage because:

1) I do not have the skill to fly freighters so the biggest load I can move in one trip is 60,000 m3 in my mastodon.
2) I would not fly a freighter enough to ever pay off the billion plus price tag anyway
3) I regularly move a plex worth of PI at a time and prefer not risking it myself
4) My main can easily earn 50 - 100 mill an hour so spending an hour moving freight is not worth my while

Other people HAUL freight because:

1) With the right ship/fit and route you can do it afk while logged in to another character or even away from your pc altogether and hopefully make more ISK than you lose in ships occasionally destroyed
2) for newer low SP players haulage returns an OK ISK/hour compared to other new player activities





Don't haul AFK. It *always* ends in tears.

Hauling at the keyboard, with a scout that can provide intel on systems before you jump in and can instaweb you if needed is very different. It still pays terribly.

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Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-03-10 18:31:40 UTC
Brink Albosa wrote:
A guy like me ain't welcome in high sec no more so I appreciate the haulers that bring me my market orders.

Support your local outlaw. Do public courier contracts.

This. Alsl find cheap courier contracts, bring them together to 1 big courrier contract and have someone else haul it for your profit?
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#33 - 2015-03-10 18:36:59 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I outsource all of my hauling, because I can make someone else take all of the risk of moving goods and only give them a tiny fraction of the profits.


Work, you peasants. Twisted

All things considered, hauling charges are indeed very low.

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