Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lets try to summarize those 68 pages in one line:

Please, let us make isk 23.5/7 safely.

simply dont allow covert cynos and covert ops cloaks to be online at the same time, or better yet, don't allow one to be fitted if the other is fitted.

ships that can use a cov ops cloak and cov ops cynos can just refit in space if they need to light one. if the system is too small and you feel exposed then find a larger systems to traverse through.

Bonjour,

Did you notice the lack of CCP devs posts in this thread recently ?

They dont try to reason you anymore.



Are you 100% legit-serious-not-trolling-at-all ? Not sure if ironic

Because it is the Role of Covert Ops ?

do you ever have used Blackops and Covert Ops in real Campaigns where you travel through hostile Staging Areas with 500 Hostiles in Space ???

Cause thats one of the Situations where those Ships come into Play...

yes i have and i do, i own a blops and multiple cov cyno characters both in my corp and as non affiliated alts. and i fly with a variety of bomber groups that both use cov cynos and blops all the time.

in fact here's a strategic blops staging/movement and coordination plan that was implemented up until the phoebe expansion where it became impractical.

http://i.imgur.com/YzIf0af.png?1

would love to know quite what you feel actually is the real issue, if you mean that ships that can use covert ops cloaks have been subject to continual power creep upwards to the point they provide too bigger combat capability against conventional ships then say so.

I personally do not think that, but I do feel that the ability to both:

• wield a ship thats moderately powerful
• can cloak and warp cloaked
• has the ability to choose its targets
• has the element of surprise and the ability to incapacitate (curse/falcon)

AND if it all goes t*ts up can instantly bring in 20 friends who undock and are ready to go in 5 seconds from up to 8 light years away, through cynojammers and not have to sit there for 10 minutes protecting the pilot that doesn't have the skills to win a fight alone that he chooses, especially when he has full tactical advantages of both a surprise attack and knowing his target.

Pretty much all other forms of pvp in this game have risk associated with the reward of the win, except this. But inconvenience someone with the fact they have to offline and online a mod before being bailed out, ohh god no. That just isn't fair!

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

If you bring a Ship into a Vulnerable Position with a Cloaky in your System (like Ratting for example) its not a "Surprise" if youre getting hotdropped. Also we have Player Generated tools like surrounding Intel - so for sure we could know whats arround us in 8 LY Range... if we care about it. If we do... one cloaky Alt - can generate already a Tactical Disadvantage for a whole alliance for example - he can reduce the activity in a System to a Minimum.

The Capabilities of Covert Ops, Blops and Recons are totally not an Issue for me - its just the Fact that we dont have anything to counter that - in a way which would force the Cloaked guy (no matter for what reason he is there) would force to react again.

The issue is - the Meta game... you just can keep cloaked "Eyes" somewhere from dt to dt - without even doing anything - and thats an issue.

Its for example enuff to place 1 maybe 2 dudes in your hostile Staging system on Grid of their Staging Tower - to zactly know what they do... there should be a way - or a set of Tools - to deal with that - to disrupt it - if i need or want to do that. Simple as that - we got Probes, we got dscan - we just need something to force him remotly to be visible for a limited time (its up to any Entity or anyone to even use those set of tools then... but still - we dont have it handy yet).

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

i hav'nt talked about some personal - Cloaky F.. is a usual Term for a special Kind of activity ingame....

if someone felt hiself personal affected i kindest want to sorry about this.

i agree that it should'nt be system wide - but it should go more far then just ongrid - maybe something like 1 AU with max Skills.

To make this short and quick, i feel cloaks should take a percent of cap usage over time so it burns caps while cloaked and while cloaked all cap regen is removed.

This allows bombers to keep their role of bombing and torping since neither takes cap to do. And would remove the cloaking in a afk rifter and go to work.


I like to point out how alot of AFK cloakers like to say "just form a standing fleet!?" as their defense.

Id also like to point out that this game is about balance

What is balanced about a 500k ship with a 4m mod able to threaten and 1b ship and force a full fleet just to maintain daily life in null.

Another option to further reduce the effect of the nerf is make it a sov upgrade. When installed it forces all cloak mods to take on this effect of cap percent requirement to activate cloak. And give the sov upgrade a selector option to only effect certain people "people not in alliance or certain standing kinda like fleet adverts"

This prevents this in low sec and WHs where i feel this game style is good and perfectly suitable. And give another reason to hold sov. Which at this time isn't really apealling at this time.