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Which T3 cruiser to train for?

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Outlaws Star
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2015-03-06 10:27:48 UTC
With the upcoming changes to the T3 cruisers I'm at a crossroads for with racial line I would like to follow with my SP. Originally I was going to train for Tengu because all of my offensive skills are in the missile department, but that looks compromised now thanks to the nerf bat. My other option is a Legion, and I'm leaning more towards the Legion because I will spend quite a while flying a HAC before jumping into a T3, and the Sac looks like a decent ship to fly, the Cerb doesn't really appeal to me all that much although some of you will disagree. Eventually I will be flying both races, but would like to know which one is ideal for my first HAC/T3

I spend the majority of my time in wh's and null, doing pve and pvp mainly solo, but I wouldn't mind giving incursions a go if I had an armor tanked legion. If any of you have any advice that would be great.

Outlaws.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-06 14:20:26 UTC
Tengu isn't going to be affected at all is it?

I thought most fits were the resistance sub+active tank?

Art of Explosions
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-03-06 14:49:31 UTC
Will u still lose skil points if. Die?
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#4 - 2015-03-06 14:50:11 UTC
As far as we know nothing has been noted in regards to that so it would be rather safe to assume that yes you still lose SP for dying in T3
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-03-06 14:52:34 UTC
Personally I won't bother training into t3's because of this. I'm only an average pvper no point losing sp I have other things to train...
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#6 - 2015-03-06 15:46:45 UTC
The Tengu will stoll be pretty darn good after Scylla, but I always hedge my bets when it comes to predicting the future of it because missiles. Rise admitted missiles need work in one of the blogs, but I'm not sure that will be entirely good for the Tengu.
Legion will probably continue to be very solid
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2015-03-06 19:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
None of the T3s really got any reason to be trained anymore at this point. Proteus is a bad Astarte in a brawl but got more tracking albeit less dps with rails. Legion is a an acceptable replacement for a damnation if mobility outweighs utility. Loki is an exception in that it really is the only *recon* with a 5k artillery volley. Tengu is questionable, 100mn hamgu is fairly nice and I actually still use mine occasionally, I just find myself going with a typhoon or orthrus instead these days though. The phoon has significantly more punch, is about equally kitey and the orthrus is just everything the tengu wanted to be.

The offensive capabilities are rivaled by HACs and overshadowed by command ships, their mobility is poor compared to HACs, their price is inefficient at best. If you want to get something with amazing defensive numbers (atleast for a few more weeks), they're awesome, but HACs/CS offer just/almost the same on any scale but the largest aside from those active tanks.

Tl;dr: Train HACs, not T3s. They're not worth their money with the recently buffed competition, and now they're getting the nerfbat on top. Wouldn't invest SP again. If you have the honour of being one of the *all racial battlecruisers V* generation, skip HACs/T3s and go for CS, ships for real (wo)men.

PS: Sac is for solo/gang-brawling, cerb is for kiting. They are quite fundamentally different. Sac can rather easily brawl down multiple BS though.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-06 19:51:17 UTC
You're being a bit narrow minded about this, what about all the niche utility roles that T3s can fill?

Neut legions and Jamgus to name two, as well as just plain hybrids of HAC and recons (extended point range, web range).

Also let's not forget about black ops

Art of Explosions
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#9 - 2015-03-07 01:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Depends on what you plan to use it for. Proteus for solo work. Loki for station camping. In fleet they all have their use one way or another.

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Justin Zaine
#10 - 2015-03-07 06:54:32 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
None of the T3s really got any reason to be trained anymore at this point. Proteus is a bad Astarte in a brawl but got more tracking albeit less dps with rails. Legion is a an acceptable replacement for a damnation if mobility outweighs utility. Loki is an exception in that it really is the only *recon* with a 5k artillery volley. Tengu is questionable, 100mn hamgu is fairly nice and I actually still use mine occasionally, I just find myself going with a typhoon or orthrus instead these days though. The phoon has significantly more punch, is about equally kitey and the orthrus is just everything the tengu wanted to be.

The offensive capabilities are rivaled by HACs and overshadowed by command ships, their mobility is poor compared to HACs, their price is inefficient at best. If you want to get something with amazing defensive numbers (atleast for a few more weeks), they're awesome, but HACs/CS offer just/almost the same on any scale but the largest aside from those active tanks.

Tl;dr: Train HACs, not T3s. They're not worth their money with the recently buffed competition, and now they're getting the nerfbat on top. Wouldn't invest SP again. If you have the honour of being one of the *all racial battlecruisers V* generation, skip HACs/T3s and go for CS, ships for real (wo)men.

PS: Sac is for solo/gang-brawling, cerb is for kiting. They are quite fundamentally different. Sac can rather easily brawl down multiple BS though.


Because HAC's work great with Cov Ops cloaks and a probe launcher.

If you use your T3's for general utility like they were originally designed and are going to more closely resemble after the changes, you shouldn't have an issue.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2015-03-07 11:53:37 UTC
Yeah, people totally fly a jamgu becaue they're good at jamming. Roll
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#12 - 2015-03-07 14:21:24 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Tl;dr: Train HACs, not T3s. They're not worth their money with the recently buffed competition,

What about the cov-ops and interdiction nullification capability?
Aeryn Maricadie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-03-22 20:38:07 UTC
T3's aren't getting hit that hard they are going to lose some tank, and rails will be less deadly but the Loki is actually getting (minor)a buff.
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-23 10:21:28 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Yeah, people totally fly a jamgu becaue they're good at jamming. Roll


They are mainly used by WH entities
Falcons/Rooks don't have enough tank and scorpions have too much mass.
Hali-Marmora
#15 - 2015-03-23 13:02:46 UTC
Legion gives the most options
atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#16 - 2015-03-23 13:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: atomic killer
If you are in alliance and there is a ship doctrine, then train for that T3 ship. If you don't have a T3 doctrine, then I wouldn't train for it. The reason for it is price, skill loss.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-03-23 20:32:25 UTC
All of them cuz u never know which one would require af certain time and have all four is a benefit for u.

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