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Hunting mission runners

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-03-06 13:24:02 UTC
Yes this is something I never thought I would do. I consider myself one of he good guys in eve. However I am bored and paying for the game and want a shiny kill to balance my poor efficient his month.

Also in no way do I intend to suicide gank or persistently follow some poor noob.

Anyway fitted up a pretty standard confessor fit for hunting many use of the probe launcher bonuses.

I have some questions

In ur opinion is a confessor to scary for a target to agress?

Also I think a lot of mission runners would b cap stable shud I refit to a neut when I find them?

Would a small neut even work?

Atm I am trying to appear dumb by barely moving from wreck to wreck. My question here is what kind of ship will alpha me completely in defence mode.

Ty in advance
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-03-06 13:30:42 UTC
For starters I'd try a dual rep incursus. It gives quite a bit of wiggle room for derps and can provide some surprising results.
Also I strongly recommend checking out Feyd's blog, particularly this entry:
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html?view=sidebar

It's chock full of fun tips for making this thing you are interested in happen.
Start cheap, then once you find your comfort zone step up to something along the lines of the Ishkur. The twofold weapons system, low sig radius and beefy tank make it an excellent ship for dealing with larger targets. It can mount a small neut as well once you've got your fitting skills up high enough. And yes, a small neut can make a difference, especially when your target is only barely cap stable.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#3 - 2015-03-06 15:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
A confessor is not exactly a cheap ship. If I saw one stealing my loot, I would not aggress. You want something that looks newbish more than a blingy destroyer.

This especially true given that Confessor requires amarr destroyer to 5. Sure you may have trained it before ccp split the skill, but again more proof that you are a trap, not a clueless newbie.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-03-06 15:36:06 UTC
Hmm ur right but wouldn't it also b a temping kill I'm risking my ship here by barely moving
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2015-03-06 15:46:56 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
Hmm ur right but wouldn't it also b a temping kill I'm risking my ship here by barely moving


You are assuming that a mission runner will grasp a finer point on PvP. Either they will recognize it, which means they will most likely recognize your fit and affiliation and think trap. (seriouslyn RvB member looting a mission? Big trap) or they will have no clue about PvP and your speed or lack there of means little. Otherwise you are hoping for a pricey target that recognizes the advantage they may have over your lack of speed, but not cautious to look at a confessor and think about the skill required to fly such a ship.

Honestly, seems like a very limited group of targets. I thinking you'd have better luck in a lesser ship.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2015-03-06 15:58:54 UTC
T2, T3 and faction are scary. Navy faction cruisers are the least scary fancy boats, people aren't too afraid of stratioses either.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-03-06 16:07:43 UTC
Ok. Ty for ur advice. I guess I'll try something less scary. Another q. Can I leave a mobile depot in a safe in space. Can u reship w one of those? I'm sure there was some structure that u could Reship w. I think I'll need a neut
Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-06 18:13:24 UTC
Would this work?: fleet up with a stranger for mission running, and do one or two. Then tell them you just got the next mission from your agent .. "I'll warp us in as a fleet" ... to your waiting POS.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-03-06 18:42:32 UTC
so ive found a few ships, nthing will agress a confessor tho :( i went to one guys mission and he was already being followed around by another suspect in a prophecy.

felt sry for the dude so opened fire on the prophecy.

scared it off.

there shud be some way to help the defencless. like probes that will specifically scan down suspects maybe? this could be the bounty hunting many people hope for.

just an idea
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-03-06 18:45:48 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
so ive found a few ships, nthing will agress a confessor tho :( i went to one guys mission and he was already being followed around by another suspect in a prophecy.

felt sry for the dude so opened fire on the prophecy.

scared it off.

there shud be some way to help the defencless. like probes that will specifically scan down suspects maybe? this could be the bounty hunting many people hope for.

just an idea

There is no need, sit on the undock, figure out who they are, figure out their D-scan ID then probe them down after they warp to a mission runner.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-03-06 18:47:08 UTC
requires that they go to the station. but yeah i see ur point.. maybe bounty hunting can exist.

Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2015-03-06 18:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
They have to figure out the target's scan ID and their fit (at least the ones doing it for shiny profit), the most efficient way to do this is to sit on the undock, while it could be an alt doing the scanning many times it is not, if it is an alt you can also check the suspects KB to get a good idea of what kind of ship he uses and then probe for that type of ship that also has a BS in the scan results.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-03-06 19:05:14 UTC
yes but its just so much work. there a re a lot of if's ands and buts to consider.

i just wish bounty hunting was more...accessible?

but then theres me again expecting to get what i want without working for it. /sigh
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2015-03-06 19:10:02 UTC
Agreed, but the work is what makes the end result satisfying. Remember that and it will drive you to complete the goal.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#15 - 2015-03-06 20:29:07 UTC
Try a gnosis, I've had luck with those before.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-03-06 21:16:20 UTC
Unfortunately mission baiting has been done to death so you will probably have to scan down 8-10 to find one willing to aggress.
Certain missions with lots of valuable loot like faction tags it can be funny to warp in a Talos and delete their mobile tractor unit before they can scoop it. Actually destroying a bear's MTU tends to make him very cranky.

Don't use a confessor. T2/T3 and faction **** is scary. Your objective is to be as dumb and harmless looking as possible while fitting an active tank strong enough to absorb drone DPS and enough DPS to break the average mission fit. If you don't have a scanning alt you want to have a dedicated scanning ship and a bait/combat ship (or two, something heavier to bring out if necessary like a BC or navy cruiser.)

You can always play the game of alts with multiple logi then swapping those to shooters if they get aggressed also, but that's cheating.

Aside from frigates and AF's the dual repped cap boosted vexor is a very mean tech 1 cruiser. Doesn't seem too frightening to the unwashed but ~600 DPS heated and near permatank will dispatch a mission fit with ease.
Faylee Freir
Slavers Union
BLACKFLAG.
#17 - 2015-03-06 22:19:49 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
Yes this is something I never thought I would do. I consider myself one of he good guys in eve. However I am bored and paying for the game and want a shiny kill to balance my poor efficient his month.

Also in no way do I intend to suicide gank or persistently follow some poor noob.

Anyway fitted up a pretty standard confessor fit for hunting many use of the probe launcher bonuses.

I have some questions

In ur opinion is a confessor to scary for a target to agress?

Also I think a lot of mission runners would b cap stable shud I refit to a neut when I find them?

Would a small neut even work?

Atm I am trying to appear dumb by barely moving from wreck to wreck. My question here is what kind of ship will alpha me completely in defence mode.

Ty in advance

I second the advice to use an Incursus / Ishkur. Neuts and drone boats are your kryptonite. I as well recommend you read Feyd's blog.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2015-03-06 23:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
firstly , read this. [edit]
derp, didnt see omars link Oops
the confessor would work but it will get chewd up by any drone boats, like hilariously badly.

the problem is in a bear flipping scenario you have to be able to kill drones quickly and the confessors tracking just dosent allow for that reliably.

it can work but its not easy, personally im hoping the gal one will have the same bonuses to sig because if it does itl be a dead ringer for the job, more so if it can have a couple of drones.


but yeah, read feyds blog, its about the best way to tackle it


Vimsy Vortis wrote:
T2, T3 and faction are scary. Navy faction cruisers are the least scary fancy boats, people aren't too afraid of stratioses either.


Apparently not, the last 4 videos of his are in one and people just don't seem to think they are that intimidating...which is odd because they are very cool ships.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-03-07 03:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
firstly , read this. [edit]
derp, didnt see omars link Oops
the confessor would work but it will get chewd up by any drone boats, like hilariously badly.

the problem is in a bear flipping scenario you have to be able to kill drones quickly and the confessors tracking just dosent allow for that reliably.

it can work but its not easy, personally im hoping the gal one will have the same bonuses to sig because if it does itl be a dead ringer for the job, more so if it can have a couple of drones.


but yeah, read feyds blog, its about the best way to tackle it


Vimsy Vortis wrote:
T2, T3 and faction are scary. Navy faction cruisers are the least scary fancy boats, people aren't too afraid of stratioses either.


Apparently not, the last 4 videos of his are in one and people just don't seem to think they are that intimidating...which is odd because they are very cool ships.


Well. I have use for my Stratios now.

I guess maybe people that don't get out much see it as an exploration/scanning ship? You don't see them used much for pvp in highsec because they are by design better suited for creeping around low and null.

So that guy's killboard is about 90% MTUs and depots. Which means for every one of those videos he's probably got to scan down another 10-20 mission runners. Most bears scoop their MTU pretty rapidly and the MTU has 50k ehp...to kill that many with a Stratios thats doing about 650 DPS...
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2015-03-07 05:36:03 UTC
MTUs are kind of a conundrum for mission flipping. Yes, shooting them does increase your chances of aggression. Yes, they also have a boatload of structure to deal with as well. Personally I feel kind of cheap whenever I pop one due to having to spend so much time and effort on what is basically a garbage can in space, BUT if you don't and do get aggression the loot fairy gets a second chance to screw you if you win as it sucks in the wreck of your victim. Also, I'd rather see ships on my KB than a bunch of them. That saying, they're still the most frequent thing for me to destroy.

On the other hand they also have their uses. Many crafty bears will do just about anything they can to prevent you from going suspect. (abandoning wrecks, shooting them, using tractor beams and salvage drones to keep the wrecks and loot out of your reach, and so on) Having bookmarked an abandoned MTU in the system can help when they're being downright uncooperative. Just pop a single round into that homeless floater whenever your timers run out and you can keep your flashy status as long as necessary.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

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