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Call for Assistance - Stranded Capsuleer
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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#21 - 2015-03-05 17:15:24 UTC
Another update, it seems Miss Ouyano has indeed chosen to stay with her crew. Still no word on her location, but i did recieve an email on my neocom from Lisa. It was jumbled static but hopefully she's trying to reach out with her system J-Sig

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117.03.05 Still inside the wormhole117.03.05 Still inside the wormhole.
More disappointing news. I landed on the night side a planet which has an axis perpendicular to the local star. Temperatures have not even crossed the zero threshhold, nor does it look like they are even going to. What's worse than landing on the nightside of a planet that has no day/night cycle? Landing on a planet which has ammonia rain. Yes, the liquid on this planet is ammonia. So on the positive side of things we are not going to have issues with ice. Crew morale is understandably low. The desire to go outside has been eliminated by the double threat of death outside. I didn't bring environmental suits either, as I didn't expect to land anywhere. We have enough on board supplies, food, water, medicine, to last a month. Hopefully we can figure out what to do before that time comes. I don't know if anyone can even read this, but I'm actually scared. I can never tell the crew this. I don't think they're going to survive, and my only hope is to activate a clone. I'm not going to choose this option until my crew . . . . I will not let my crew die. The choice to activate a clone will not ever come to pass. I refuse to let that happen.


This message was decoded from Lisa's galnet site, dated today

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#22 - 2015-03-05 17:33:35 UTC
'sup Mista Onzo?

Hrmmm ... I dunno yo. Looking at all the info she's been able to transmit, yet neglecting the most critical part that could get her saved, you know.

I think you're lookin' at one of two situations, Mista Onzo, sir. Knowing what us ladies can be like at times, I'm guessing she's neglecting that piece of info of purpose. Maybe she don't wanna be found n' is like taking a break or .. somethin'? Maybe she's not really missing at all? Maybe she just want some attention? You know, all totally options.

Either that or like her nav comp is soooooo badly busted up she can't even see the J-sig of the system. Pretty unlikely to me, Mista Onzo, I never heard of that before, but if that were to be actually the case then yeap, she be in some trouble yo.

If she don't wanna part with the J-sig when she easily could, or if she really can't, then time to start a new colony and get comfy, or put a bullet in her own head like my sista done that time, haha.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2015-03-05 19:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
Tritanium is highly reactive with certain atmospheric elements. When exposed to oxygen and nitrogen at temperatures higher then -30 C, Tritanium undergoes extremely rapid oxidation, releasing large quantities of heat and transforming it into the much weaker materials tritanium oxide and tritanium nitride. These materials are brittle, and prone to cracking and shattering, which further exposes interior tritanium within a material to oxidation. However, the interior tritanium can also be preserved in some cases by the formation of a thin layer of tritanium nitride on the surface of the material.

That said, ships are obviously not made entirely of tritanium, and while tritanium is commonly used as a structural material, it is first alloyed with Mexallon which makes it stable in atmospheric conditions.

Not that any of that is actually relevant to saving Lisa.



As I said, tritanium-derived compound, not pure tritanium.


Those tritanium compounds, albeit not as explosive as their ore form in atmosphere, would not be barred from human habitats if they were perfectly stable in such environments...

For the Shigeru, I am pretty confident that besides the immediate concerns of toxic radioactive waste spreading out of the wreckage, there is a possibility of further explosions of some parts of the hull have not oxyded or burnt yet after the atmospheric entry.

That is why if this planet has a standard atmosphere, I cannot see a conventional starship keeping its integrity after entering it. We saw exactly what happens at the last Tsuruma incident when such actions are taken, if there really is a need for examples.

Not that it would be of great help anyway since... starships are not made to fly in atmosphere to begin with. They would fall like bricks.

If the capsule is intact, as it seems to show, then they are either on a small rock or moon with not much gravity, and without heavy atmosphere, or even without any at all. But amoniac rain indicates that there is one.

That planet looks fascinating... I hope we get more details soon.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-03-06 02:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Lyn Farel wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
Tritanium is highly reactive with certain atmospheric elements. When exposed to oxygen and nitrogen at temperatures higher then -30 C, Tritanium undergoes extremely rapid oxidation, releasing large quantities of heat and transforming it into the much weaker materials tritanium oxide and tritanium nitride. These materials are brittle, and prone to cracking and shattering, which further exposes interior tritanium within a material to oxidation. However, the interior tritanium can also be preserved in some cases by the formation of a thin layer of tritanium nitride on the surface of the material.

That said, ships are obviously not made entirely of tritanium, and while tritanium is commonly used as a structural material, it is first alloyed with Mexallon which makes it stable in atmospheric conditions.

Not that any of that is actually relevant to saving Lisa.



As I said, tritanium-derived compound, not pure tritanium.


Those tritanium compounds, albeit not as explosive as their ore form in atmosphere, would not be barred from human habitats if they were perfectly stable in such environments...

For the Shigeru, I am pretty confident that besides the immediate concerns of toxic radioactive waste spreading out of the wreckage, there is a possibility of further explosions of some parts of the hull have not oxyded or burnt yet after the atmospheric entry.

That is why if this planet has a standard atmosphere, I cannot see a conventional starship keeping its integrity after entering it. We saw exactly what happens at the last Tsuruma incident when such actions are taken, if there really is a need for examples.

Not that it would be of great help anyway since... starships are not made to fly in atmosphere to begin with. They would fall like bricks.

If the capsule is intact, as it seems to show, then they are either on a small rock or moon with not much gravity, and without heavy atmosphere, or even without any at all. But amoniac rain indicates that there is one.

That planet looks fascinating... I hope we get more details soon.


Decompose, yes. Oxidise, yes. Explosion? No.

Steel, upon exposure to the air, doesn't explode either. Instead, you get Iron Oxide and compromised structural integrity.

They are barred from human habitats NOT because the damn thing explodes. They are barred from human habitation for the same reason steel is commonly painted, to prevent exposure to oxygen and nitrogen that will result in oxidation and decomposition of structural integrity. Human-habitated areas is full of oxygen and nitrogen and we don't want our Tritanium-Mexallon alloy to oxidize in that environment and compromise structural integrity, even if it's going to take a damnably long time for that to happen.

Also, humans have the uncanny knack of doing something stupid. Like scrapping the Tritanium-Mexallon alloy and eat the shavings. You do NOT do that.

That's my entire point. It doesn't explode! The Bestower won't explode and kill the crew, instead she will more likely collapse and crumple and be rendered inoperable. If I hear another insinuation that a spaceship explodes in planetary atmosphere, I swear I will put forth more expletives than your chat filter can handle.

Also modern starships, other than orbit-to-surface shuttles, do not generate enough thrust to lift its mass and exit a gravity well, slingshot or no. To generate enough thrust to lift a cruiser, or at least a destroyer, one requires fuel and energy far exceeding what even the most powerful of starship reactors can provide. Without space-based industry, we wouldn't see even cruisers in space, or at least what we call cruisers would likely be the size and mass of a frigate.

It is possible however to improvise the Bestower to leave the planet but it involves removing the limiters of the engines and the reactors, cutting down the mass of the Bestower greatly (estimated by 78% at minimum) and alot of fuel (enough to fill all the cargo holds). As you can expect, this is delicate work and many things can go wrong. Not to mention that issue with the fuel.

The capsule, I am certain, is intact. It just can't leave the planet due to the the reason I state above. The propulsion system does not generate enough thrust, even if she managed to eject it from the Bestower. However, an intact capsule should still have access to the neocom and she, by all rights, should be able to see the code name of the system. So why didn't she just use transmit that information and save us all the trouble?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2015-03-06 09:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Tritanium is not mere steel...

We will have to agree to disagree on this one... I guess..

As for the matter of startship propulsion in atmosphere, I believe that is exactly what I stated above..
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#26 - 2015-03-06 18:08:53 UTC
Search called off. It appears Miss Ouyano is now back in K-space. Thanks for the help and sorry for any inconveniences.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-03-06 18:37:05 UTC
Sorry.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-03-06 18:48:15 UTC
Damn Capsuleers and their anti-climaxes....
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2015-03-06 18:56:59 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
If I hear another insinuation that a spaceship explodes in planetary atmosphere, I swear I will put forth more expletives than your chat filter can handle.

No, I believe space ships do explode in atmosphere.






*popcorn*

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2015-03-06 19:23:00 UTC
Lisa Ouyano wrote:
Sorry.


You okay? What happened?

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference
Dani Dusette
Division 13
#31 - 2015-03-06 19:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Dusette
Lisa Ouyano wrote:
Sorry.

Glad to see you in one piece, Ms Ouyano.

Curious to know more about your experience.

Mr Onzo was rather worried. I think perhaps you may need to take him out to dinner to make amends.

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σиlу ιи dαякиєѕѕ cαи уσυ ѕєє тнє ѕтαяѕ

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Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-03-06 20:18:27 UTC
Dani Dusette wrote:
Lisa Ouyano wrote:
Sorry.

Glad to see you in one piece, Ms Ouyano.

Curious to know more about your experience.

Mr Onzo was rather worried. I think perhaps you may need to take him out to dinner to make amends.

I'm speaking to him. Thank you.


Jennifer Starfall wrote:
Lisa Ouyano wrote:
Sorry.


You okay? What happened?

I'm fine. Thank you.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-03-07 05:45:52 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
If I hear another insinuation that a spaceship explodes in planetary atmosphere, I swear I will put forth more expletives than your chat filter can handle.

No, I believe space ships do explode in atmosphere.






*popcorn*


You sodding little muckcrawling sod daughter of a Fedo crap-eater grime-encrusted gear-licking plutonium-guzzling bubble-head daughter of a jammed autocannon (goes on and on and on and on and on for the next fifteen minutes) Khumaak-jammed-in-brain Punisher-****er!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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