Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So with all the capital hate thats going on lately, be it from fighter/bomber scan res nerf, to no more assist, no skynet and warps, give us something to do with our shinies.

All you naysayers of capitals and no risk versus reward hear me out...

Let caps/supers use acceleration gates and dock. no, no hear me out.

1) Acceleration gates. What were the two main blocks for capitals to go into incursions? I mean other than no capitals in highsec. Cyno jammed systems and acceration gates into deadspace. Well cyno jams are meaningless now, we can just gate to gate into the incursion system. Second is acceleration gates.

If CCP allows capitals to use acceleration gates what will that do? It will allow us to do nullsec/lowsec incursions AND escalations. What does that mean for the naysayers? MOAR content. You want more opportunities to hunt ratting carriers? There you go. Carriers in the 3rd room of the Blood 10/10 taking huge amounts of damage from that tower and the mass of battleships will be hard pressed to escape when you come in with your hunting party. HUGE risk. Decent rewards from those 10/10's... Incursions present a different angle, that nullsec mom offers the biggest reward of all, the Revenant BPC. GARGANTUAN Reward GARGANTUAN risk.

Throw us a bone CCP, you want to take all the positives away from carriers? OK we can't stop you, but throw me a freakin bone!

2) Docking in station. This is going to gather probably 6000 "No, just plain no" statements. Well again, listen. If you allow capitals to dock, it will allow those space coffin dwellers a chance to get out of them for one thing and be able to pee vee pee in other stuff. But it will also make those station and sov conquer mechanics more valuable wont they? You still have freeport mode, and that gives an attacker an opportunity to bring in their own capital fleet with a place to put them for good fights. Honestly, I would just like an opportunity to let the damn thing rust and not worry about it for awhile. I mean come on, if you are taking away all usefulness of the stupid things let us drydock them and walk away.

Either give us something to do with them, or give us a way to walk away.

Let the flaming begin.

Capitals using acceleration gates: Sure, let me solo a 10/10 in 10 minutes. This is a good idea. Incursions? Let's make them pretty much risk free due to the massive reps a pair of triage carriers can bring to the field. Moar isk!!!! Oh, and if you can't warp a capital out in the minutes it takes that hunting party to probe down your escalation, warp to it, and navigate through to the third room, then you deserve to lose it. Bringing capitals into sites is a bad idea, because it makes them safer to run, and safer for the capital pilot.

Docking Supers: What good fights during freeport period? You mean the fight where the super pilots realize they're camped in, and simply log out for a week, then one ot two at a time log in, undock with hangars full of stuff, and jump away before they can get locked down? Or do you mean the one where the evacuating coalition drops a thousand pilots into the system in advance, blue balling any real blockade of the station while the supers and jump freighters jump out with all the stuff?

Death to all Supers.

There are two ways for a super cap pilot to leave his coffin, put his super in an XL Ship Maintenance Array or eject from it in the safety of a POS bubble. Both of these I am ok with, however docking in a station. No. Why? Well it's not just about risk/reward. It's about balance and investment too. They shouldn't have a place to run to permanent safety and forcing you to lock in a pilot to own one is about investment into owning one. As spiderman's uncle once said, "With great power comes great chance of dying in a fire alone in space with your giant space phallus" At least, I think that's how it goes...

Running sites and incursions with supers/carriers is just way too unbalanced and there is a good reason why they can't do it already.


Also, supercapitals and capitals will remain massive force multipliers and the fact that they are no longer needed to sov grind is a great thing in my opinion and in now way reduces their usefulness as far as I am concerned. Wait for their balance changes bud, then we'll talk.

Off topic:
This topic is going to get some pretty interesting replies.. judging from the title alone.
I got my money on the "death to all supers" thingy.

On topic:
Supers are and will remain force projection multipliers and I have to agree with previous posts stating they should be so. I would hate to see roaming supercap/cap fleets 'jumping around'. Was training for them a time waste? Not really, although their use is taking a different path atm. The fact that a player trained for a specific skill for x days does not secure its future uses and should not be reimbursed unless it becomes obsolete. Else each change of the meta would become a whinefest.

However aside from personal views, I would wait to see what Fanfest and future brings to SOV.

I did put on my flame retardant underwear before posting this.

Well, the Urobouros site does require at minimum what 40, 60 pilots to do at minimum influence? You can't tell me that is risk free, especially in nullsec. When was the last time you did an incursion? They are if anything risk free, especially in null sec. There's a reason that the big incursion groups offer an SRP. You still have to grind the influence down just to get the Mom to spawn from what I remember, and until you do, you are suffering from resistance, repping and damage penalties.

The null sec incursions are pretty much unvisited because of the massive amount of grinding influence, with the only reward being concord payout if in fact you pop the mom.

Why would you (not necessarily you, but other posters) care if someone is making isk with their shiny? I do non acceleration gate escalations and sanctums/havens/forsaken hubs in my super. What's the big issue people have with more content or people making money? PVE in a carrier or super is putting my ship at risk. Look at the kadeshi killboard anytime and see that. But we aren't skerred to go out in shiny stuff and do it.

I thought people wanted more risk for their rewards. If want to go do pve with my shiny, and you want to pop me? Come get me. I'll make you work for it.

I never said incursions were unbalanced, I said doing them with carriers would be. Using a fleet of carriers to run them would be exponentially faster and safer. With carrier reps on field they aren't going to die. Not to mention cyno jammer constellation wide.



I did say mobile depot did I not? *Checks own post* Yup, I did. Now let's address your bigotry directly. Let's fit for rating (The way that a smart person would, if he could do it with a carrier)

1. Damage Control? Don't need it.
2. Race specific hardener? Don't need that either.
3. Capital Repper? Barely need that but throw it on just in case.
4. DDA? Yea sure we can take 2 of those.
5. Inertia Stabilizers for quick warp? Take 2 of those (Can now warp in 1 MWD cycle)
6. Hyperspacial Accelertor? Oh we still have space for that wow.
7. Mobile depot I can rep with a capital remote repair and 6 warp stabs in the cargo hold? Check
8. Directional Scanner and Emergency Cyno Alt? Depends how smart you are I guess.

I've no objection to the addition if Cap/Super PvE content.

Why not have null sec 10/10 escalate to 20/10 cap fights with a super accepting accel gates that requires a pass key for supers (no two or more supers at once spider tanking). One room with lots of LCO. Good AI that thinks about targets and packs a punch befitting of the spawn ship type.


They should take a look at NPC faction and officer (commander) spawns and mix it up with 1 assault Frig, 1 HAC, 1 Bs & 1 cap spawn for the meta's 11-14. Change the loot drops for the same metas to be hull size specific ie:- Meta 11 frig mods, meta 12 cruiser/BC size etc.

I don't mean this to lower the tanki-ness of the officer spawns but they could do with variety (rather than just tier 1-4 value). There is soo much that could be done with these metas.


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Allow Supers to dock. No but perhaps yes.

Allow them to dock to a station docking ring yes. Player owned stations only. Docking ring fitted allows 1 super then plus one per level of upgrade. Then work out a system to allow docking rings to be attacked (perhaps this is your new structure grind) that either disables the ring and the super from undock or perhaps even damages the docked super.

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There remains a lot to see from what I would expect to be a serious balance pass at the top end ships. Let us hope CCP intend to do something.

If that happens, I might actually finally have a reason to buy one.

Let them dock and drop the EWAR immunity. At least its a start.

Did you even read the thread's title? We're talking about capitals and supercapitals, not sov mechanics. Seriously do you people even understand what it means to stay on topic?