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Once you are going against 200 man capital fleets, dreads have the ability to alpha carriers off the field very easily. A hundred battleships can alpha a carrier. Additionally, the current siege module doesn't nerf tracking, at all. What about supers? By folding the hull bonuses into triage, which super carriers can't fit, you lose any benefit of being immune to ewar when it comes to fleet repairing. Your proposed changes would utterly gut the carrier class because you can't handle dealing with 200 man capital blobs. Fleet repair becomes exceedingly difficult in lowsec for small gangs. And repairing structures will demand a support fleet, because no sane pilot will use a non triaged carrier solo when a t2 cruiser will out rep it and be less vulnerable.

Instead of demanding that the ships be nerfed, try looking at the mechanics of remote rep instead. I can assure you that being unable to kill a ship under massed repair isn't an issue only dealt by capital ships. Guardian chains can be just as infuriating to subcaps.

You are referencing 200 man carrier blobs. If sentry fire from these is too coordinated for a 200 man battleship gang, it's not the mechanics that are the problem, it's the pilots and target calling. 200 Maelstroms can alpha a 2 million ehp target. 40 Moros can volley a 2 million ehp target. 30 Naglfars can blap a 2.1 million ehp target. And if you are suggesting that you don't have the pilots to field 40+ dreads against 200 carriers? You need your head examined. 200 anything will destroy 40 or less of the same weight class, cap vs cap, cruiser vs cruiser, etc. Also, who fights a 200 carrier blob with just battleships? One battleship does not equate one carrier in k-space. Fighting a 200 carrier blob? Bring 200 carriers.

As far as ospreys, no. With your plan a single nidhoggur will rep for half the amount a 4 large shield rep osprey (12.5% per level) will, with capital reps, for half the range. Which means that a 10 million isk cruiser is more valuable for structures than the ships made to rep structures. Currently, a nidhoggur, without triage can output 2065 shield per second and remain stable. An osprey can do just shy of 500 and needs a lot of sacrifices to be cap stable and fit 4 large reps. Gutting the non triaged reps will prevent any small groups from being able to rep their structures in a reasonable length of time. Did you scale down your concept at all? Did you think of the 20 man fleets? The corporations with less than 50 players?

The problem is, you are confusing scale with mechanics. Yes, at 200+ numbers, carriers are extremely powerful and hard to beat. You need to examine why this is. With 200 pilots, even the nidhoggur of the prior example, can spider tank with the gutted reps. 384 shield/s across 200 ships? More than enough to make a difference that you will not appreciate.

dont worry, dreads will be removed soon as they have no ability other than damage dealing, carriers will be reduced to one highslot and no dronebay, supers are already slated for a change to have 0 in-fleet ability besides arbitrary stat bonuses, and titans, well titans are busses that should have been removed long ago as they really dont serve any psychological factor like they used to, they arent a serious DPS or fleet support factor ongrid, just brick houses of EHP that for the large part can be ignored unless your fleet is mostly caps, then MAYBE they have enough to alpha carriers/supers off before reps, but not much else

All of your assumptions are assuming you're dealing with 200 men with carriers, if that is such the case.... I'm in terrible feels for who the hell you pissed off.


Taking your logic hand in hand, just drop in 200 Titians. Now what is your issue ? 1 DD is 1 carrier GONE no hope or savoir. Carriers just look scary, they are but 200 dreads can put a dent against them easily. Your sub-caps are just that, sub-par. I don't want a BS killing my carrier, your BS is for supporting your capital fleet getting rid of the things that we don't really care about so we can support our capital fleet against, other capitals. Plus if you have a jammer you can jam a carrier, der der der, no more REPS from that guy. Carriers can also be neuted out, trust me that hurts the cap chain seriously.

I honestly hate people who want changes when they're not willing to step away from a problem and look at it and solve it via in game mechanics. Troll.



Now how to really win against logi ? Bring in your jams boy. They want jam for their toast. They also like being neuted out, very effective. If you pvp any you're likely carrying a neut, if not, refit it and then go back. Or re-plan your fleet so you're covered, or just warp away in general.

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Taking your logic hand in hand, just drop in 200 Titians. Now what is your issue ? 1 DD is 1 carrier GONE no hope or savoir. Carriers just look scary, they are but 200 dreads can put a dent against them easily./quote]

The whole eve is not about "I need bigger ship to counter your big ships".
BTW, dread blob against carrier blob don't work.
How many coalitions can deploy 200 titans?

Carriers remote rep them self, dreads cannot have any remote aid.

Neuting carrier fleet?
So i drop 200 neuting armagedons against 200 carriers : 1 per carrier.
My armagedons cannot cap them self , and will run out of cap pretty soon. Carriers will be using gardes to kill neuting ships.
While those Armageddons will not do any real harm to carriers in terms of dps - so i need other dps ships.
Wait , local is already at 400 and i still not have dps fleet deployed?

No this will not work this way either.

Issue is that even reinforced nodes are unable to compute amount of ships needed to kill slowcat fleet.

Nodes are the issue ... my dread was cycling guns for dozen of minutes , firing but not using ammo and not doing any damage. On paper concept looks good,but only on paper

Show me battlereport.

I wish more people would realize this. It's one thing to face a single or a handful of carriers but another entirely to try to take out even a single one in large fleets.

Keep this not auto locked, support needed.

ccp work on 4 principals...
A: If its Useful - Give it Aids
B: if its working - Break it
C: If its Broken - Leave it
D: If its a Rorqual - Forget it