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Ridiculous Buy Prices on Items

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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#21 - 2015-03-06 14:08:47 UTC
Well if you need the attention Roll
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-03-06 14:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??

Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??

Why hasn't anyone talked about that?

Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?

Price griefing??



1. No. NPCs do NOT build anything. They supply you with: Skillbooks and blueprints. And some 'unused' trade goods like janitors and exotic dancers are traded by NPCs (whcih have about 0 impact on a market).

2. No. Materials needed for production come from players. And players thus set the price of said products.

3. Uhm, cause it's common knowledge that the game is player driven...which includes the market (the share of NPC orders is near 0).

4. Nope. As most things aren't even bought by NPCs. Unless you want to sell of the trade goods that are bought by NPCs. And as long as the player is below those buy orders, you will sell to the NPC, as you will Always sell to the most profitable sell order you can sell too (if you have a buy order of 100k ISK and 500 buy orders of 0.01 ISK, when you sell your item, you get 100k ISK as that's the most profitable buy order in range).

5. Yes, it's nice to price grief. I love it when brain death people sell me all their mission loot for 100 ISK a piece...which then can be resold in trade hubs for a nice profit (even after the cost to get it all hauled to the trade hub).





A small hint, before you come back with yet another stupid reply:

Log in

Open market

Look at expire time on orders:

IF order expire time =< 90 days it is a player order
IF order expire time > 90 days it is a NPC order.


You will quickly find out, 99.9% of the items you look up, are player orders all over.

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#23 - 2015-03-06 14:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??
A very limited amount of things are sold by NPCs, primarily skillbooks and BPO's. They also trade in low value commodities of no real use or value to players.

This is by design, NPCs used to buy and sell a whole lot more stuff but CCP have since put that market segment into the hands of players

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Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??
In the strictest interpretation yes, in reality? Not really.

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Why hasn't anyone talked about that?
Outside of skill books and BPO's NPCs have no effect on the market.

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Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?
Very few people trade in the items that NPCs purchase, because those items are worthless.

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Price griefing??
Hahah no, taking advantage of people with too much money or no sense isn't griefing, it's good business practice; ask Apple.

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Memphis Baas
#24 - 2015-03-06 14:22:57 UTC
NPC's don't have manufacturing, they don't make items, and they don't sell or buy items on the market. They only sell skillbooks, and they don't buy them back.

So yeah, you have the wrong understanding of the market. It's all player. If the players who put up the 1000 isk orders get rid of them, you won't be able to sell the items AT ALL. Nobody wants them they're not even gonna be on the market, worth 0.

Also, this is the newbie questions forum; you've asked, we've explained. Stop whining and trolling and not accepting the answers, and we'll stop bashing on you. We don't care that you are a newbie or that you didn't know, but now that the issue has been explained, you need to accept it as the reality of this game.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-03-06 17:31:19 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??


No.
With the exception of skill books, BPOs and some trade goods (like soil, seeds and the like and some tags), every order on the market is created by a player.

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Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??

Why hasn't anyone talked about that?


Probably because they don't exist.

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Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?


Since there's no such thing as an NPC price, no.

I put up a 1000 ISK buy order for items because there are no higher orders and people are willing to sell me the item at that price. If people didn't put up said orders, you wouldn't be able to sell the stuff at all, as there would be no one to sell to.

Also, those 500 000 sell orders may be too high. The fact that people put sell orders at 500 000ISK doesn't mean that items are being bough at 500 000 ISK.
Paranoid Loyd
#26 - 2015-03-06 17:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Price griefing??
I had suspicions in his last thread.
I call troll.
Please stop feeding him.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2015-03-06 18:07:26 UTC
Honestly OP you are either a troll and if so need to stay out of the new player Q&A section of the forums or don't have a clue as to how to post constructively.

I will say from this and your previous posts I don't think that eve is the game for you. I recommend that you go play something where the game designers will hold your hand and walk you through stuff and put soft padding on all the sharp corners so that you don't hurt yourself.

If you have a question post it as a question. The original post was uninformed and off base. However instead of asking a question so that you could better understand the market you just bitched about how the market was not even knowing how it was.

CCP has no interest in softening up this game for you. Players set the buy orders on stuff so that each player can determine what is "worth it" for them and what is not. If CCP put a floor on buy orders on stuff that was equivalent to the reprocessed value then no one would put up buy orders for the majority of stuff on the market as there would be zero profit in it for them. Also if they put a floor of say 20% under for example then places out in the middle of nowhere would not have any buy orders as the margin would not make it worth the effort.

I recommend that you read this CCP Falcon post and watch this HTFU video so that you can get an idea of what kind of game the devs want to make. Then I recommend that you log out and cancel your sub and go look for a softer game.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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ISD Alliance
#28 - 2015-03-06 18:24:41 UTC
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