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EvE Online and Bullying

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#21 - 2015-03-06 04:34:16 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.

If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.


Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.

What a goddamn joke.


Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go. The fact that an adult can avoid all bullying by locking himself in his house all day does not mean that there is no such thing as bullying. That is just a delusional view of human interaction. And yes, there can absolutely be bullying in a computer game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#22 - 2015-03-06 05:28:28 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go.


You can also get bullied at Wal Mart. One of my favorite pastimes is to sit on those benches they have near the entrances and laugh at fat people.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Orlacc
#23 - 2015-03-06 05:44:39 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.

If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.


Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.

What a goddamn joke.


Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go. The fact that an adult can avoid all bullying by locking himself in his house all day does not mean that there is no such thing as bullying. That is just a delusional view of human interaction. And yes, there can absolutely be bullying in a computer game.



One can smell weakness through the ether. Like this guy^^

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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#24 - 2015-03-06 06:58:21 UTC
The OP is definitely r/cringe material.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#25 - 2015-03-06 07:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Kithrus wrote:

I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.

No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.

I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.

Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.

This is not pre-school. You are not forced to play with others that you don't get along with. It is not "harassment" to choose not to fleet/join a corp/talk to another player, nor is it "bullying" to tell another player they do not want to play with them if they are are associated with another player.

You cannot make people be "friends" and if you try to force people together who dislike each other, you are asking for a much worse situation. If it is just a misunderstanding then of course feel free to explain to everyone and try and sort it out, but if someone has decided they do not wish to interact with another, then you have to respect that decision.

Time to be an adult and make a choice of who you want to play with. This is a game we all voluntarily play and can leave at anytime. Claiming that not wanting to play with another is "harassment" or "bullying" devalues these terms.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-03-06 07:16:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.

If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.


Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.

What a goddamn joke.


Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go. The fact that an adult can avoid all bullying by locking himself in his house all day does not mean that there is no such thing as bullying. That is just a delusional view of human interaction. And yes, there can absolutely be bullying in a computer game.


You are a morbidly deranged lunatic. Its a game. If it has bearings on how you live your real life, you need to stop playing.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2015-03-06 08:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
I can't take it anymore. There needs to be an EVE online forum parody of Futurama....
Veers Belvar as Captain Zap Brannigan.
Leto Thule as Bender.
ISDs Ezwal and Barstarlode as the future police.
Feyd as the news monster.
Cannibal Kane as himself.
Unsuccessful At Everything as Zoidberg.
I'll play Scruffy the janitor... open to ideas for the other roles :P

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#28 - 2015-03-06 09:54:42 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I can't take it anymore. There needs to be an EVE online forum parody of Futurama....
Veers Belvar as Captain Zap Brannigan.
Leto Thule as Bender.
ISDs Ezwal and Barstarlode as the future police.
Feyd as the news monster.
Cannibal Kane as himself.
Unsuccessful At Everything as Zoidberg.
I'll play Scruffy the janitor... open to ideas for the other roles :P


Does James 315 play the role as Zapp when he's a twenty-five star general later? I forget if that was before or after he had sex with Leela, which we still need someone to play.

Whichever character I play, I just want to pilot Old Bessie in the Battle for Earth Against the Scammers after Zapp fails.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#29 - 2015-03-06 11:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Leiliana Atruin
I happen to have a very good idea who you are talking about, I don't have a beef with the person personally.

However...

This person did more than just rub people the wrong way. He went out of his way to be offensive, and quite frankly, many people could rightfully accuse him of having been a bully in the past.

As a parent of a person with the same syndrome, I can tell you right now that him having that is no excuse for his behaviour. I am very involved with charities and organizations that deals with it, and in all but the worst cases (think rainman) there is very little anti-social actions.

Quite frankly, for the majority of people that acts the way he, it is more a matter of the person thinking he can do and say whatever he wants because 'aspergers'.

edit:

Not do say I dont believe in second chances, because I do happen to believe that he needs a second chance to show that he is willing to control himself. But that doesn't mean that you can accuse people not willing to give him a second chance of bullying, because it isnt.

You can gladly point him to the corp I am in. Signal Cartel is a cool corp, and the people are nice. We do have a 'no-agress' policy though, so it would be something that he would need to consider. It is however a good place for him to make a different kind of name for himself. (I am not an officer, so I am not speaking on behalf of our corp, I am just advertising :P )
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2015-03-06 11:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kithrus wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.


But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you.
You'd be surprised, when you apply for a job you can be fairly certain the new employer will contact the old one for a reference of some kind. If you were fired for being an arse your previous employer will say as much, without actually saying so. A reference is far more than the sum of its contents, most employers are savvy enough to know that what isn't said is far more important.

Refusing to do have anything to do with an organisation because you disagree with the acts of the organisation itself or some of their employees happens everyday in real life.

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10
Damn right, I think the appropriate term is "rawr"

Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I'll play Scruffy the janitor... open to ideas for the other roles :P
You just want to take advantage of the robot mop bucket who secretly harbours a deep and passionate love for you.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#31 - 2015-03-06 13:00:45 UTC
Someone has to love me. Pretty sure the fedo is dead, but it's hard to tell by smell alone.... cannot find it. Also, I've apparently been banned from all pet shops in New Eden for some reason as well. Getting hard up here and those frozen corpses are starting to look very inviting.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#32 - 2015-03-06 13:15:42 UTC
Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want.

Kithrus wrote:
We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.

This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.

Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...

Personal reasons.
So stand up to CVA. Tell them no, you're not going to boot a member of your alliance just because they say so. If they set you red set it back and actively fight against them. If you really believe in what you are saying here, then stand up for him and stand up for your beliefs. At the very least it's entertaining content.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2015-03-06 13:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want.
What have you done with Lucas?

P

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#34 - 2015-03-06 14:10:32 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Hm,


On this topic, I think CCP should tread lightly. EvE is a game about Villains. I've kicked people before just because I don't like them. Meshing poorly means poor teamwork, honesty.

DId Leadership talk to this guy? Was he warned? These are some key details being left out.


However there is a line, between Harassment and Bullying. And Harassment in EVE online. Can't really find a way to put it elegantly but there is.


Currently, I see nothing wrong with what happened here.


Again yes it was an issue with getting along fine. Following this guy around and trying to get everyone to spurn him?

step too far no?

theres been worse, I can think of 1 at a public event.
the thing you must see is its people behind a computer that think they are anonymous so they believe they can say and do what they want because no harm will come to them until you can kick them in the balls with a pair of spiked steel toe boots.
Ive found ways to cause the deaths of some people in the game because they believed they were high and mighty and untouchable in empire. if you care for your friend, you to can find a way to hit back

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2015-03-06 14:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Agondray wrote:
the thing you must see is its people behind a computer that think they are anonymous so they believe they can say and do what they want because no harm will come to them until you can kick them in the balls with a pair of spiked steel toe boots.
One of them was the OPs friend by the sounds of it: Karma's a female dog ain't it?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#36 - 2015-03-06 14:30:34 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want.
What have you done with Lucas?

P
Heh, still me. People get the wrong impression that I want some sort of group cuddle over everything that is mean to anyone. That's not the case. I just have a reasonable expectation of balance between players who want to kill and player who want to hug, and would rather not see direct attempts to create out of game upset being widely accepted. Outside of that, if you want to hate somoeone for whatever reason you want and react with in-game actions, what does it matter?

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Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#37 - 2015-03-06 14:45:22 UTC
I really feel like people are missing the point here.

We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good.

We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person.

I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him.

If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons.

As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite.

We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with.

Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE.

If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?"

I see this as no different.

Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#38 - 2015-03-06 15:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
Tell your friend to sell his character and help him buy a new one. Invite new one to Corp. Old Guy is not in Corp, problem solved.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#39 - 2015-03-06 15:27:53 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
I really feel like people are missing the point here.

We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good.

We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person.

I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him.

If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons.

As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite.

We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with.

Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE.

If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?"

I see this as no different.

Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen.
We all get that, you said it clearly many times. Sure, it's a douchy move, but it's not bullying, it's simply and expression of preference. They don't like that guy and won't be friendly with any group he's in. It may be harsh, it may be without what you consider good reasons, but it's the game. If you don't like that they've done that, stand up to them. If you just kick him out to save yourselves from the possibility of getting roflstomped by CVA, then you're no better than them.

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Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-03-06 17:50:50 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.

If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.

Basically this. It's quite simple. There is no need imposing things on yourself in a video game. No matter the unique details of the case.


And:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10

Paranoid Loyd: Comes into a debatable C&P topic.. Hits on the hot space chick!

Well played sirCool