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Roscada
We love Egg
#61 - 2011-12-22 15:55:04 UTC
Serene Obsolete wrote:
I have a hulk (barely 200mil) and my account is now active (however useless) for the next 5 months.



You bought isk to buy PLEX? The **** is wrong with you?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#62 - 2011-12-22 16:49:57 UTC
well it appears CCP left you with no options besides botting and quitting

and to those who say the GM was being nice.... lol, the GM gave the player a fate worse than banning, if you think about it, it's probably the single most vindictive move I've ever witnessed against a customer.

might as well have stuck the player in a system with no exits.
Sorry, but no matter how much I dislike botting and RMT the action taken against this player is pretty unethical.

ban accounts if you want, but don't cripple them just so some poor hump can look at an unplayable account for 6 months.
that's pulling the wings off the flies, and not swatting them.
Chevy Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2011-12-22 16:56:32 UTC
Morganta wrote:
well it appears CCP left you with no options besides botting and quitting

and to those who say the GM was being nice.... lol, the GM gave the player a fate worse than banning, if you think about it, it's probably the single most vindictive move I've ever witnessed against a customer.

might as well have stuck the player in a system with no exits.
Sorry, but no matter how much I dislike botting and RMT the action taken against this player is pretty unethical.

ban accounts if you want, but don't cripple them just so some poor hump can look at an unplayable account for 6 months.
that's pulling the wings off the flies, and not swatting them.



The actions the player took is also unethical... people were warned when they set up their eve accounts that EULA says NO RMT, the player then RMT isk... so now the player is facing the punishment


Its like robbing a store, then getting arrested and jail, THEN saying "WTF why am I in jail"
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#64 - 2011-12-22 19:38:13 UTC
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Morganta wrote:
well it appears CCP left you with no options besides botting and quitting

and to those who say the GM was being nice.... lol, the GM gave the player a fate worse than banning, if you think about it, it's probably the single most vindictive move I've ever witnessed against a customer.

might as well have stuck the player in a system with no exits.
Sorry, but no matter how much I dislike botting and RMT the action taken against this player is pretty unethical.

ban accounts if you want, but don't cripple them just so some poor hump can look at an unplayable account for 6 months.
that's pulling the wings off the flies, and not swatting them.



The actions the player took is also unethical... people were warned when they set up their eve accounts that EULA says NO RMT, the player then RMT isk... so now the player is facing the punishment


Its like robbing a store, then getting arrested and jail, THEN saying "WTF why am I in jail"


GTC & Plex is about the same as whatever the OP did. They're just mad cause he bought his ISK from someone else. I log right into my account management page to do my RMTing.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Gorefacer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2011-12-22 19:59:08 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Let me try give you an example then

You and me buy 1 bill isk

You spend 500 mil on shiney ship and manage to make 250 M missioning before your caught. 750-1000= -250 in the negative + 1 shiney ship you can't sell.

Now I take my billion isk, invest it on the market and make 250M. 1250-1000 = 250 M left in my wallet

So I fly of happy with 1/4 Billion isk in my pocket, you most likely have to biomass yourself.

Random and arbitary.


Different actions, different outcomes, different consequences. That's not random or arbitrary.

I guess the take away is if you're going to "illegally" buy ISK makes sure you use it to make back more ISK in your wallet than you bought in quick enough turn around time to beat the clock for it being removed.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2011-12-22 20:05:01 UTC
You spent money on RMT to buy ISK illegally...right now PLEX is high for the ISK trade. Buy some PLEX and sell it in game. Problem solved.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#67 - 2011-12-22 20:12:32 UTC
Grab an ibis and belt rat away your sins.
Ai Shun
#68 - 2011-12-22 20:15:40 UTC
Morganta wrote:
well it appears CCP left you with no options besides botting and quitting

and to those who say the GM was being nice.... lol, the GM gave the player a fate worse than banning, if you think about it, it's probably the single most vindictive move I've ever witnessed against a customer.

might as well have stuck the player in a system with no exits.
Sorry, but no matter how much I dislike botting and RMT the action taken against this player is pretty unethical.

ban accounts if you want, but don't cripple them just so some poor hump can look at an unplayable account for 6 months.
that's pulling the wings off the flies, and not swatting them.


What are you on about?

Removing ISK purchased through unapproved means has been CCP policy since 2007. I linked the dev blog earlier if you are interested. That dev blog also explains the implications of the unapproved RMT and the effect it has on us, the players. Remembering as many as I can:

1. ISK spam in our chat / mailboxes
2. Account hacking to obtain ISK for resale

Those two alone are worthy reasons to be ******* annoyed at the OP for taking a dangerous route instead of a very much CCP sanctioned route. The OP has endorsed ISK spam, endorsed account hacking and supported that industry instead of using the legitimate channels to do it.

CCP did not force that player to break the rules.

That player did it themselves.

Nothing unethical about it. The punishment is known.
Ai Shun
#69 - 2011-12-22 20:18:52 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
GTC & Plex is about the same as whatever the OP did. They're just mad cause he bought his ISK from someone else. I log right into my account management page to do my RMTing.


No, they are not. CCP does not steal accounts to obtain the ISK you gain through selling a PLEX. Nor does CCP run bots to help fund their ISK source so they have something to sell you for those PLEXs.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#70 - 2011-12-22 22:15:31 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:


GTC & Plex is about the same as whatever the OP did. They're just mad cause he bought his ISK from someone else. I log right into my account management page to do my RMTing.


+1

Shh though ! don't wanna mess with the I.I.M (Icelandic Isk Mafia) Lol

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#71 - 2011-12-22 22:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
I remember seeing a post somewhere about a open mining op where the fleet commander pays 2 million isk for each filled jetcan. Paid via "give isk" which can still be done to someone with a negative wallet.

If you can find this op and are willing to mine 1000 jet cans, you can mine your way out.

But it looks like your best bet is to buy time codes for real money and sell them for isk.

And I still say its a bug that you cannot sell something when you have a negative wallet, assuming what you sell covers the tax and broker fee, especially as there is a valid in game mechanic (customs fines) that can result in a negative wallet.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2011-12-22 22:47:48 UTC
make an alt and make money wiht it to give to the minus char?

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Serene Obsolete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2011-12-22 22:53:07 UTC
Right, it was not ISK I bought but the PLEX themselves, as for assets, I used most of the PLEX to sub my account and sold one to buy and fit a HULK with some change.

I would never buy ISK itself, and I should never have bought PLEX from an illegitimate source either but I did and I am being punished for that. I just think PLEX from the EVE store are over priced. EVE in itself is an expensive game compared to other MMO's.

If you look at the maths I can see why they price it the way they have. With 15 major content expansions (obviously if they were to be sold as an expansion like other MMO's they would be far less often perhaps with more content.) The extra £5 you pay per month is a good offset for this.

Still, £18 for a single plex is a high price to pay!

Don't get me wrong, I know what I did was wrong and I won't be doing it again, but surely you can see the allure of something that is LESS than half price for the same item just from a different source?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#74 - 2011-12-22 22:57:13 UTC
Since purchasing RMT creates a demand for bots, and bots are wrecking the game, I don't think the -2B ISK is too harsh.

In fact were it up to me, RMT participants on both ends (buyers and sellers) would get an electric shock from the game client program the next time they logged on. At best it would kill them, or at the least destroy their reproductive capabilities (as if it could be worse for the kind of neckbeard that RMT's) .

If that's not possible, CCP should send a group of guys over with little baseball bats.


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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2011-12-22 22:57:54 UTC
Serene Obsolete wrote:

stuff

Still, £18 for a single plex is a high price to pay!

Don't get me wrong, I know what I did was wrong and I won't be doing it again, but surely you can see the allure of something that is LESS than half price for the same item just from a different source?


You really should not share such stuff.. And game-time can be payed by subscription which is way cheaper..
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#76 - 2011-12-22 22:59:18 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Morganta wrote:
well it appears CCP left you with no options besides botting and quitting

and to those who say the GM was being nice.... lol, the GM gave the player a fate worse than banning, if you think about it, it's probably the single most vindictive move I've ever witnessed against a customer.

might as well have stuck the player in a system with no exits.
Sorry, but no matter how much I dislike botting and RMT the action taken against this player is pretty unethical.

ban accounts if you want, but don't cripple them just so some poor hump can look at an unplayable account for 6 months.
that's pulling the wings off the flies, and not swatting them.


What are you on about?

Removing ISK purchased through unapproved means has been CCP policy since 2007. I linked the dev blog earlier if you are interested. That dev blog also explains the implications of the unapproved RMT and the effect it has on us, the players. Remembering as many as I can:

1. ISK spam in our chat / mailboxes
2. Account hacking to obtain ISK for resale

Those two alone are worthy reasons to be ******* annoyed at the OP for taking a dangerous route instead of a very much CCP sanctioned route. The OP has endorsed ISK spam, endorsed account hacking and supported that industry instead of using the legitimate channels to do it.

CCP did not force that player to break the rules.

That player did it themselves.

Nothing unethical about it. The punishment is known.


sorry, but either the executioner has the balls to throw the switch or he don't, you shouldn't ask the condemned to do it themselves or try and offer them a buy-out to escape the chair. (IE purchasing plex from CCP to make account viable again)

2 wrongs don't make it right applies to ethics too
Serene Obsolete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2011-12-22 23:04:34 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Serene Obsolete wrote:

stuff

Still, £18 for a single plex is a high price to pay!

Don't get me wrong, I know what I did was wrong and I won't be doing it again, but surely you can see the allure of something that is LESS than half price for the same item just from a different source?


You really should not share such stuff.. And game-time can be payed by subscription which is way cheaper..



Like I said, I realise the errors of my ways here. For want of a better metaphor its like buying homemade moonshine and ending in the hosiptal or jail. Things are priced the way they are, and it's a classic case of "If it sounds too good to be true".

Clearly a case of the risk greatly outweighing the reward.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#78 - 2011-12-22 23:11:04 UTC
Serene Obsolete wrote:
Right, it was not ISK I bought but the PLEX themselves, as for assets, I used most of the PLEX to sub my account and sold one to buy and fit a HULK with some change.

I would never buy ISK itself, and I should never have bought PLEX from an illegitimate source either but I did and I am being punished for that. I just think PLEX from the EVE store are over priced. EVE in itself is an expensive game compared to other MMO's.

If you look at the maths I can see why they price it the way they have. With 15 major content expansions (obviously if they were to be sold as an expansion like other MMO's they would be far less often perhaps with more content.) The extra £5 you pay per month is a good offset for this.

Still, £18 for a single plex is a high price to pay!

Don't get me wrong, I know what I did was wrong and I won't be doing it again, but surely you can see the allure of something that is LESS than half price for the same item just from a different source?


Lol, partly true.

If you buy plex straight from CCP you get 1 Plex for I believe 15 Euro.
But you can always use ShatteredCrystal's service, this is 100% legit and confirmed by CCP. On there a GTC (2 PLEX) cost you about 25 Euro.

So next time, do some research first, and clicking the first link you see on google isn't research.

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Vuiko Tarasovich
Bound In Blood
#79 - 2011-12-23 09:47:47 UTC
A year's subscription costs $10.95 CAD a month, or about 8.25 euro a month.


yeah... this game is expensive...
Atuk Belinen
Red Bluff
#80 - 2011-12-23 10:04:51 UTC
in your case the easiest way out is to trade in space. doing it in station wont work. neither will contracts or market. so mine ore, and trade it to a alt or join a corp and trade in space FTW you have you money back in no time. but consider that youll be paying back what you lost then have to make profit... thats a long and very discouraging road. so just convo me ill hold you hulk. bio your char make a new one and ill contract your ship to him.. then ur new guy has 200m in assets=WIN