Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the exact point on MY view is. They should be SLIGHTLY weaker than the recon competign ons ame role or the hac competing on the same role. BUT with the added benefit of the overheating capability they have. SO Overheated they might outdo these ships. But SLIGHTLY!!!!!

At which point people will just stop using them due to not having enough tank and something else will become the new focus of cries to nerf it into the ground because its OP!!!.

Wouldn't want people to all intents and purposes be safe sitting out of range while engaging an enemy I say remove railguns from the game that will solve the problem.

Didn't do the numbers but less hp for more regen seems favorable

AFAIK its just to put regen back where it was - the loss of buffer in itself isn't huge but the knock on effect on passive regen would mean that many common PVE passive tanked fits would have become useless for the kind of places you'd use a tengu.

And jack of all trades would mean no one would use it.

They still have way too much HP. They get a ton from 1600mm armor plates, considering all the powergrid room they have to fit those, and the high resists which dramatically increase their effectiveness. As long as strategic cruisers keep such high resists, they need to either have much less excess powergrid or a reduction in hit points received from those modules. If their powergrid is cut down a lot and they are given role bonuses to fit weapons more cheaply, then it will fix the hit point issue as well as the 100MN AB problem. It also just plain makes sense, it's a cruiser so it shouldn't have battlecruiser powergrid.

Because EVE is the same as knifes?
If it had less tank than a HAC and less DPS than a HAC along with EWAR which is less than a Recon then it would not be used as a fleet ship, period.

well the refitting part on the fly would be stepping on tactical T3 role really, maybe they will give that too bc's, so it would be a case of it being prefitted with adaptability and versatility before undocking, or using the depot if you have the time and foreknowledge too do so.

On the contrary, not only are they the MOST useful ships, they are the ONLY valid combat ships for certain situations, like null PvE. This is not because of their great stats (though it helps), but simply because they can be fit to be interdiction nullified and fit a covert ops cloak at the same time. Marauders are undoubtedly better PvE combat ships in almost every regard, but how many dozens of Tengus do you see in sites in null for every Golem you see?

CCP could nerf T3s down to the level of T1 cruisers and they would still find use, even in fleet battles, because bubble mechanics are extremely powerful. If they haven't prepared with tacticals all over the place, you can force an enemy to act in extremely predictable and precise ways, like landing at a precise spot of your choosing and being unable to warp immediately after they land (Rooks and Kings anyone?). In null, the ability to disregard this effect is much more powerful than a fat tank or good damage projection.

That being said, I think T3 cruisers should be able to switch out between 3 or 4 player-designed, pre-made fits without a mobile depot by parking their ship in space, hitting the button, and doing nothing for 2 minutes or so. It has nothing to do with balance, but simply quality of life, cause it sucks to have to fool around with a mobile depot.