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Ground rules for running a successful corporation

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-03-04 21:42:25 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:

And towards the people claiming that you have to focus on just a few things, that isn't absolutely true, do you really think Brave only does PvP? how do you think their members make isk? just pew pew? hell no, they've got miners, they've got boosters, they've got mission runners, they do literally almost everything.
If that is the type of success you are after, then my guide is perfect for that.


No, your guid is great for those "Jack of all trades - Disbanded in months" corps.

BNI did start as a pure PvP thing...

And with time, they attracted other corps that did other things.


P.s.

A PvP player that runs a couple of missions so he can refund his ships for PvP...is still a PvP player.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2015-03-04 21:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Mark Androcius wrote:
Phig Neutron wrote:

That's not what I said. I said that a successful corporation can have members doing all kinds of things. But in order to claim to have succeeded as a corporation you have to have something special that makes the corp different than just a bunch of guys who happen to fly the same flag. We can talk about what BRAVE stands for, and whether or not they're doing well at it. "Just a bunch of guys" cannot be successful (or unsuccessful for that matter) because there's no goal to measure it against.



Ah, right right, I get what you mean.

Well, my corp is kicking the rear end of some mercenary alliance.
We've even stopped them from having any kills on the other 36 corporations and alliances they are wardecced with and we are making a LOT of friends that way.

It has come to the point now (after just 3 days) that they've decided to hire a merc alliance to dec us, imagine that, a merc alliance hiring a merc alliance to help fight a bunch of noob miners.

That successful enough? we've only just got started too.


Shocked


A merc alliance that must hire mercs...to kill miners...


And HOW and in what world, is that succesful.



p.s. Maybe the others aren't stopped by you..again, that's your opinion, not a fact.

p.p.s. Not to mention, your alliance's killboard tells a completely opposite story.

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#43 - 2015-03-05 13:45:58 UTC
I must contest point 10 but I thought the rest of the guide was well done. If the first corp I joined had followed this guide it might still be alive. It's good advice.

Points 3, 5, 6, 9, 11 are excellent and are the missing variables for a lot of failing highsec corporations. 2 and 8 are a matter of disagreement but not damaging to the corp.

You don't need to be a specialist corp to survive as is being argued in this thread. There are "balanced" corporations and alliances that have been around for years because they follow many of the points raised in the article. These places attract players that enjoy a "balanced" play style. Obviously a hardcore pirate or industrial carebear will not fit into such a place.

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Justin Zaine
#44 - 2015-03-05 17:15:29 UTC
Quote:
I know it's pretty much the "chicken or egg" question, but without industry, there would be no pvp.


This is absolute horseshit.


The rooster came first.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Mark Androcius
#45 - 2015-03-05 17:23:20 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
Quote:
I know it's pretty much the "chicken or egg" question, but without industry, there would be no pvp.


This is absolute horseshit.


The rooster came first.


Wahahah, lol
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-03-05 19:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
derp.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2015-03-05 19:32:32 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
3. Miners and other industry focused pilots will tell you they don’t like PvP, they are lying to themselves, they just don’t know that yet.
Figure out how you can positively influence them to get involved in pew pew."

I will be the first person to tell you that the last person that you want to listen to about what someone likes or dislikes is that person. People often have a very distorted view of what their likes and dislikes are. In many cases if you give them the opposite of what they say that they like then they are more inclined to like that. However there is a huge difference between something often being true and something always being true. You can't make blanket statements about individual preferences and not expect someone to call bullshit on that.

There are people that just enjoy PvP and then there or those that just don't, then in the middle there is the majority of people that to varying degrees will like or not like it depending upon context. I would have to say unless you add some kind of qualifier to that statement it's pure horsehocky.

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Paranoid Loyd
#48 - 2015-03-05 21:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I love Eve. Lol

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#49 - 2015-03-06 04:49:30 UTC
When I read that guide I imidiately declared war on the OP.

It's literally a guide on how to attract piranhas.
Lachesiss
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-03-06 08:57:46 UTC
I thought the guide was great.

I printed it off to make a perfect paper plane. Mine went the furthest out of the office window whilst on fire.

On the third day after your birth myself and my sister's will come to you and decide your fate.

Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#51 - 2015-03-06 13:02:13 UTC
You NEED bla bla bla
You MUST bla bla bla


I hate it when people capitalize words like that. It CAN be funny if you're being facetious, but otherwise it just speaks VOLUMES of how little understanding you have of the matter you're trying to teach. Also, I've seen hair spray cans that have more words written on them than there are words in your guide.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#52 - 2015-03-06 14:19:38 UTC
Ironically OP appears to have missed the rule about not posting terrible guides to corp management in the NCQA forums and his corpmates appear to have missed the one about not complaining about wardecs in the C&P forum.


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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#53 - 2015-03-06 16:58:19 UTC
Think very carefully as to what, if anything at all, you write in your corp description. If you are not sure leave it blank. Do not write anything to do with mining, industry, 'new player friendly', or mining. Unless you want to be continually wardecced. Evil
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2015-03-06 17:35:38 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
Also, I've seen hair spray cans that have more words written on them than there are words in your guide.

As someone who came of age during the 80's this comment teleported me to some PTSD like out of body traumatic recallation of that time. I still have the smell of aquanet in my nose from it and now my skin feels all sticky and I am being bombarded with mental images of bangs larger than 12 inches.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#55 - 2015-03-06 20:03:37 UTC
Ya, I actualy read through those guides.

Doubt I have to rate them at this point. Thankfully there is a pile of responses so newbros should be sufficiently safe from this outburst of mental diarrhea.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#56 - 2015-03-06 23:24:33 UTC
Both this, and the thread loyd linked are why I hang around on the forums.

Glorious.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#57 - 2015-03-08 18:51:12 UTC
Since this thread was posted lots and lots of destroyers and mining barges have exploded.
Brylan Grey
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2015-03-10 04:03:17 UTC
I honestly found my experience in eve to be completely contrary to everything listed in this guide.

As a person and player, the guide also seems completely wrong to me but I won't be so audacious as to assume I know everything about the sociology of EVE.

The best advice really is to simply find like minded individuals with similar interests in EVE. That is it. That is all you need.

CEO of a pvp corp? Don't mass recruit high sec miners. CEO of an industry corp? Don't cater to the PVPers.

Biggest issue I have with the guide... Putting the individual above the group. A good individual will do what is good for the group. If they don't, they are not going to see to it that the group has success.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#59 - 2015-03-10 13:13:50 UTC
That's funny, he left "his" corp.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-03-10 14:06:23 UTC
It's ok he can make another one because he's so successful at it.