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Jenshae Chiroptera
#61 - 2015-03-06 00:47:49 UTC
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
I just discovered this thread. I'm not going to read the op because this **** is pretty humorous without context.
Context on why he finds it so funny:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
You know ... when we planned a couple swop ... I really thought it would be your girlfriend that I got. *cough*
Lol

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-03-06 00:53:50 UTC
Well to address the topic, I think I heard somewhere that there is some sort of gene that people have that encourages altruism.

Could be completely wrong.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#63 - 2015-03-06 00:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
Well to address the topic, I think I heard somewhere that there is some sort of gene that people have that encourages altruism.
Indeed there are people who are more altruistic naturally, however, as soon as you have a high number of altruists, the self genes sweep through and out compete them.
Altruism is not evolutionary stable.

The thread plan was that people post small snippets that get others thinking. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2015-03-06 02:24:40 UTC
My personal philosophy is that there's nothing after death, therefore you should make the most out of life. Or leave behind a positive impact on your peers or whatever.

Carpe Diem, ************.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2015-03-06 02:34:09 UTC

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

Altruism is not evolutionary stable.


I don't know if this is true. If altruism is rare, and other members of the species react favorably to it to protect the altruist, maybe altruism is the super-survival gene.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2015-03-06 02:43:10 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

Altruism is not evolutionary stable.


I don't know if this is true. If altruism is rare, and other members of the species react favorably to it to protect the altruist, maybe altruism is the super-survival gene.



I'm pretty sure that's the point of having the gene. Altruists are generally very well liked. People will make sure that the Altruists are safe so that they can help people even more.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#67 - 2015-03-06 05:11:30 UTC
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
My personal philosophy is that there's nothing after death.
I like to believe there is nothing, no pain, no memories, no regrets, nothing. Only sweet oblivion. I find that very liberating.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#68 - 2015-03-07 00:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
What if what's called "altruism" is actually the natural behavior of this species? It hasn't been that long in human history that there was much concept of the individual, independently-going human. Through the many millenia until about their were large-ish cities, everybody was a part of a family, band, clan, or tribe. Those were the units that did things. Sure, individual members had their own personalities and own dramas going on. But being overly selfish in a group that shares resources won't be tolerated for long. You can be an Alpha, which is aggressive and self-aggrandizing. But with that comes putting yourself forth as a leader/caretaker, with altruistic responsibilities for caring for the community. Pure selfish aggression wouldn't work, in the long run. You'd have to balance it with some charisma and care for the community. Kind of hard to play-act fake care for people, over days and days laboring together by day, and around fires at night. People in tight communities smell a rat pretty quick.

If you were consistently selfish and didn't show some care for other members of the group, you could end up ostracized, criminal, or a pariah you could get ousted. Which wouldn't help your chances of survival that much. Kind of hard to survive solo, in a sustenance world. No place to dock up, and tough to catch or grow enough food on your own. You might end up like the mysterious Stone Age guy Oetzi the Ice Man, trying to cross the Alps solo in winter .

So, what if what we term "altruism" is really selfish-ism? If you don't have care for other humans, you can get you ejected from the group. Or tolerated, but pushed out to the margins? That might make sense in the "organisms trying to maximize their own gain and reproduce" clinical view of the biology.

Don't know, but my grandma and grandpa were altruists to us little dumbarses. They didn't seem to have consciously decided to be altruists. They'd just been around a long time, and they were pretty cool to everything and everybody. Just how they'd turned out after 70 80 years of life in this environment.
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-03-08 00:40:38 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
What if what's called "altruism" is actually the natural behavior of this species? It hasn't been that long in human history that there was much concept of the individual, independently-going human. Through the many millenia until about their were large-ish cities, everybody was a part of a family, band, clan, or tribe. Those were the units that did things. Sure, individual members had their own personalities and own dramas going on. But being overly selfish in a group that shares resources won't be tolerated for long. You can be an Alpha, which is aggressive and self-aggrandizing. But with that comes putting yourself forth as a leader/caretaker, with altruistic responsibilities for caring for the community. Pure selfish aggression wouldn't work, in the long run. You'd have to balance it with some charisma and care for the community. Kind of hard to play-act fake care for people, over days and days laboring together by day, and around fires at night. People in tight communities smell a rat pretty quick.

If you were consistently selfish and didn't show some care for other members of the group, you could end up ostracized, criminal, or a pariah you could get ousted. Which wouldn't help your chances of survival that much. Kind of hard to survive solo, in a sustenance world. No place to dock up, and tough to catch or grow enough food on your own. You might end up like the mysterious Stone Age guy Oetzi the Ice Man, trying to cross the Alps solo in winter .

So, what if what we term "altruism" is really selfish-ism? If you don't have care for other humans, you can get you ejected from the group. Or tolerated, but pushed out to the margins? That might make sense in the "organisms trying to maximize their own gain and reproduce" clinical view of the biology.

Don't know, but my grandma and grandpa were altruists to us little dumbarses. They didn't seem to have consciously decided to be altruists. They'd just been around a long time, and they were pretty cool to everything and everybody. Just how they'd turned out after 70 80 years of life in this environment.


The first human societies were egalitarian.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-03-09 17:37:06 UTC

I'm pretty sure there's a little big giant cloud of whimsical confusion floating all over the delimitation line between the notions survival and comfort. It only takes instinct to form a pack, society is an outcome of complex communication skills slowly eroded or brutally enforced by hierarchic comfort policies.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Jenshae Chiroptera
#71 - 2015-03-09 17:41:11 UTC
I do keep saying that religion is a relic that we as societies can shed as the important bits are done by other institutions.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2015-03-09 18:46:08 UTC
Meh, the opportunists are already ruling the other institutions.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#73 - 2015-03-12 23:11:08 UTC
A big problem with religions is most religious people don't understand what the founder/founders actually said. Or even bother to read the original source, and decide on their own. They're just a member of a group following some tradition, which after many years of doctrinizing and politics, may not have much of the original message left in it.

A foolish man prays to the statue of Shiva and thinks its a god.
A little wiser man says, "That's just a piece of carved wood."
A wiser man says, "That is just a poor physical representation of a profound concept."
-The Upanishads
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#74 - 2015-03-12 23:14:45 UTC
religion is just a tool to keep the masses at bay and make them accept their lower status
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#75 - 2015-03-13 00:25:50 UTC
I thought that was what Budweiser was for. Smile
Jenshae Chiroptera
#76 - 2015-03-13 00:31:40 UTC
I thought that was what EVE was for? What?

"Are we bigots for shunning racist people?" Twisted

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#77 - 2015-03-13 02:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Edit:
Man makes EVE Online, EVE Online does not make man. EVE is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. EVE Online is the opiate of the masses. Blink
-Karl Marx
Jenshae Chiroptera
#78 - 2015-03-14 03:13:15 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
-xxX-Karl L337 Marxxx
Fixed. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2015-03-14 07:38:37 UTC

Who dat Karl Max?!?! James 315 said dat!!

:P

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#80 - 2015-03-14 14:03:41 UTC
James 315 is Karl Marx reincarnate ?! Shocked