EVE General Discussion

Thera is the best place to be in game if youre interested in small gang PvP, however just as long as you use the sometimes 20 wh exits to roam, PvP in Thera itself is hell.


Topic: yes I moved to Thera and never had as much fun as I do now.

Not when the same goods are available elsewhere with greater safety and lower cost.

I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves). The post I quoted is a text book example of the kind of thinking behind that.

And I'm not running in 2016. 2020 maybe, if the rent is still too damn high.

so... You are saying that should be find yourself in space without your space suit you will happily do whatever you want to do. Because you 'don't need excuses'?

Therea is cool. Most people over the age of 19 view Ayn Rand as a hack.

We're referencing Atlas Shrugged now?

Someone poke me when we start comparing the Keynes-Hayek comparisson to running sleeper sites in Thera.

No, I would prevent myself from being n space in the 1st place were there any doubt about having a space suit. Only irresponsible people "find themselves" in dangerous places, responsible people think and plan before hand.

To put an arbitrary number to it, peoples problems tend to be 99% them. The other 1%is the entire rest of the universe. People that understand this succeed (master your self, have more control over your fate) win, people who find excuses, oh, im sorry, "reasons" why the can't move forward, fail. Simple as that.

You're talking to people who genuinely believe that a Fortune 500 CEO only has his position because of some nebulous "privilege".

Don't bother.

Not all but there is no doubt the right family name makes it far FAR easier.

Donald Trumph for example. The only reason he isn't a broke loser living on the streets is because mommy and daddy had a lot of friends. I could list a good hundred or so names of similar CEOs...


Then there's the people like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs who climbed their own way up and then took different paths once they reached that level. Steve Wozniak just wasn't a big enough ******* to counter Jobs.

I think CCP should allow freighters through Thera's highsec and lowsec statics. An alternative (and my preference because it would help industry at the same time) would be to give the system a unique reprocessing buff.

I tried stocking the Thera market with T1, T2 and faction hulls of all sizes along with modules and consumables. I gave up. The turnover and profit was less than my lowsec stations, even with the same margin of approximately Jita + 10%.

Does anyone disagree that the Thera market has utterly failed to live up to Fozzie's stated goal that Thera should become a 'Jita without CONCORD'? Thera is a unique system that offers unique PvP challenges to older players. This concept could, and should, be extended to the market. Jita trading is profitable but, frankly, routine and boring. I want something more.

So why has the Thera market not boomed? I think it is because of a) the PvP style and, b) the fact that there are so many statics.

First, the PvP style is small gang as opposed to large fleet with rigid doctrines. These sort of players are typically more flexible and better able (and willing) to supply their own needs. This, combined with the fact that there are so many useful statics to highsec and lowsec, means that restocking is rarely a problem. A DST through a lowsec connection will bring in half a dozen cruiser hulls, a dozen destroyers or two dozen frigates, along with a big pile of consumables. One such run is adequate to supply a good small gang pilot for quite a while.

This means that pilots are easily able to avoid the elevated charges that are currently associated with the Thera market. So should the number of exits be reduced? Of course not. This would defeat the purpose of Thera. I would, instead, like to see the mass limits on the lowsec and highsec connections increased to allow freighters through.

I doubt this would greatly change the Thera meta. Perhaps it would have back when Thera was opened up but the novelty of the system has now worn off and the meta is now firmly established.

What alternatives to a DST through a lowsec entry exist now? First, I could use a jump freighter to get stock to nullsec and then through an E587. No thanks. The risk/reward isn't even close to worth it. Let's say I were to fill the jump freighter with cruiser hulls, averaging 50m each, and charge a 10% margin. That is ~165m profit per load. This might sound like a lot but, considering the risk involved in getting the freighter to null and then into a Thera station, it isn't remotely close to being attractive. Especially given the margins and throughput that can be attained with far less risk.

What is the second alternative? Manufacturing in Thera. This is entirely reasonable due to compression mechanics. It is possible to bring in enough compressed ore to build an awful lot of ships. However, even having the highest possible standing with The Sanctuary does not approach the best nullsec reprocessing rates. And this is in the face of a ship market which quite often operates below cost.

Therefore, my wish is for the highsec and lowsec exits to be enlarged to allow freighters to fit through. Alternatively, the stations in Thera could be given a uniquely high reprocessing rate to make the DST -> hull route attractive.