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Ishukone-Raata Release [I-RED]: "Status of Jordan Kaine"
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#141 - 2015-03-02 17:42:06 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
....still wondering i f i should even jump into this shitstorm of a argument...



Honestly, probably not worth the headache that it will induce.



Do you have any idea how many concussions i get on the battlefield in a single day?

A headache sounds pleasant at this rate!

Don't do this thing. Just grab your popcorn and watch the drama unfold.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#142 - 2015-03-02 17:44:02 UTC
Before this whole "Killing Fields" fiasco even started there was controversy over I-RED's activities when Katrina published a report on "Project Dustbowl" in Syndicate. That's what I'm referring to.

Director Oniseki referred to "sterilizing" at least one of the colonies involved in the project, which led to some overblown talk of "genocide" ect by at least one Federal capsuleer. Truth be told, I didn't think much of it at the time and didn't bother to comment. I may not even have fully read the topic, which might be why I made the mistake of thinking they had admitted to executing prisoners. My take was that calling whatever happened "genocide" was going too far, but that I-RED probably did kill some criminals in the course of what was probably a net positive for the development of these colonies.

Katrina said earlier that they never admitted to killing anyone. That's actually not the case, but I still went too far saying they admitted to executions. She did actually say at the time that there were 65 cases of death related to I-RED use of force, and that each was being investigated. I rather expect they were ruled to be justified by I-RED.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#143 - 2015-03-02 20:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
This may be surprising, but we found five cases of wrongful death during the course of those investigations. Three out of those five were due to a stun grenade that ignited a nearby natural gas leak, resulting in the death of three innocents unrelated to the nearby rioting. The security officer involved was not charged, as it was deemed to be accidental.

The other two deaths were individual cases of unauthorized force that resulted in fatalities. Those officers were discharged and sent back to their homelands.

Katrina Oniseki
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#144 - 2015-03-04 05:05:40 UTC
Forgive an old has-been his detachment, I don’t pay as much attention to.. politics as I once did.

But after careful consideration and due reflection I am going to have to go with Anslo on this one.

Now he certainly doesn’t need my support and most likely doesn’t want it, goodness know I wouldn’t if I were him.

But there it is.

He is a hammer true, but let’s be honest, some windows need to be broken.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#145 - 2015-03-04 19:48:31 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Forgive an old has-been his detachment, I don’t pay as much attention to.. politics as I once did.

But after careful consideration and due reflection I am going to have to go with Anslo on this one.

Now he certainly doesn’t need my support and most likely doesn’t want it, goodness know I wouldn’t if I were him.

But there it is.

He is a hammer true, but let’s be honest, some windows need to be broken.


It is a pity you would side with someone who condones torture and the killing of innocents. When Ishukone-Raata has been open with our investigation into the matter, to the point of allowing outside assistance in almost all our operations against those who committed these crimes in Syndicate. It is rather disgusting.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Anslo
Scope Works
#146 - 2015-03-04 20:03:08 UTC
"Open." Like hell.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#147 - 2015-03-04 20:16:13 UTC
John Revenent wrote:


It is a pity you would side with someone who condones torture and the killing of innocents.


I tend to not condone the torture of anyone, but who says your crews are so "innocent" anyway? Revenent Defense Corporation is engaged in service with the State Protectorate. You're belligerents in a warzone, not innocent civilians. Act like it.

By the way, I managed to pick up two survivors out of your Cormorant wreck in Aivonen last night. Both were severely injured and are undergoing medical treatment. I figure I might as well question them on these matters once they've recovered enough.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#148 - 2015-03-04 22:13:52 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:


I tend to not condone the torture of anyone, but who says your crews are so "innocent" anyway? Revenent Defense Corporation is engaged in service with the State Protectorate. You're belligerents in a warzone, not innocent civilians. Act like it.

By the way, I managed to pick up two survivors out of your Cormorant wreck in Aivonen last night. Both were severely injured and are undergoing medical treatment. I figure I might as well question them on these matters once they've recovered enough.

I believe the Taisho was referring to the employees of I-RAT, which is indeed a civilian sub-division of I-RED.

Cold Wind's Blade || Follow the I-RED Newsfeed & visit the I-RED GalNet site!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#149 - 2015-03-04 22:22:40 UTC
If it looks like a fedo and smells like a fedo, you get the point I'm making...
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#150 - 2015-03-04 22:27:31 UTC
Korsavius wrote:


I believe the Taisho was referring to the employees of I-RAT, which is indeed a civilian sub-division of I-RED.


You're right, it isn't their fault they signed up to work for a shell corporation set up to shield I-RED income generating assets from the war.

Someone should indeed be ashamed of themselves for the harm that has befallen these people.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#151 - 2015-03-04 23:10:00 UTC
Who.. ?
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#152 - 2015-03-05 00:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Deitra Vess wrote:
If it looks like a fedo and smells like a fedo, you get the point I'm making...

You should consider taking a shower then.

Rinai Vero wrote:
You're right, it isn't their fault they signed up to work for a shell corporation set up to shield I-RED income generating assets from the war.

Someone should indeed be ashamed of themselves for the harm that has befallen these people.

I'm not quite sure how Customs Offices in Syndicate are shielded from the war. Is there some sort of treaty or agreement the FDU has with the Intaki Syndicate that prevents Federal militia pilots from entering the region?

Cold Wind's Blade || Follow the I-RED Newsfeed & visit the I-RED GalNet site!
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#153 - 2015-03-05 01:48:03 UTC
For all the histrionics thrown around here, not a single ******* one of you, including and especially speaking of Anslo, have actually asked me directly for any information outside of this IGS. None of you except Jennifer Starfall have asked to see Jordan Kaine. An arbitrary demand was made, hostages were taken and executed, and the lot of you are deciding it's easier to side with the incomprehensible "morality" of what Anslo is doing to make an illogical point, rather than actually asking to sit down and talk about what's going on like adults.

Let me go over the tally of who has actually done so: .... Jennifer Starfall. That's it. And it took me throwing an open offer to the winds to get one person to take me up on it. Only one. Not you, Rinai Vero. Not you, James Syagrius. Not you, Deitra Vess.. though your neutrality would hardly be in question. Not even Anslo, willing to kill our employees, was willing to show up for Kaine.

You know what the funniest part is? Kaine left with her.

Those of you who took no initiative should feel ashamed.

Katrina Oniseki
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#154 - 2015-03-05 02:18:31 UTC
But don't you see Mrs. Oniseki? You're I-RED, so obviously everything you say is going to be a lie to cover up what you're really doing.Because as the universe knows, everyone in leadership roles in Caldari corporations are cold blooded and only interested in the bottom line, no matter who has to get hurt or die.


This is why I do not believe it wise to discuss inter-corporation business with outsiders. They expect the worst, and if they find anything to discredit their theories, then obviously it's just a deeper conspiracy.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#155 - 2015-03-05 02:23:56 UTC
As an employee of a Caldari corporation, I can confirm that our leadership is primarily concerned with the bottom line. That said, whomever has to get hurt or die, never interferes with said bottom line. Otherwise, we start seeing pinkslips in our inbox.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#156 - 2015-03-05 02:27:06 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
As an employee of a Caldari corporation, I can confirm that our leadership is primarily concerned with the bottom line. That said, whomever has to get hurt or die, never interferes with said bottom line. Otherwise, we start seeing pinkslips in our inbox.

Pyre Falcon is not exactly a poster corp for ethical Caldari businesses.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#157 - 2015-03-05 02:32:42 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
As an employee of a Caldari corporation, I can confirm that our leadership is primarily concerned with the bottom line. That said, whomever has to get hurt or die, never interferes with said bottom line. Otherwise, we start seeing pinkslips in our inbox.


I-RED that post several times, and I'm still not sure if you're serious or not.

Katrina Oniseki
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#158 - 2015-03-05 02:36:34 UTC
Katrina, please. We're supposed to be representing ourselves as cold, ruthless corporate officials.

Cold Wind's Blade || Follow the I-RED Newsfeed & visit the I-RED GalNet site!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2015-03-05 02:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
For all the histrionics thrown around here, not a single ******* one of you, including and especially speaking of Anslo, have actually asked me directly for any information outside of this IGS. None of you except Jennifer Starfall have asked to see Jordan Kaine. An arbitrary demand was made, hostages were taken and executed, and the lot of you are deciding it's easier to side with the incomprehensible "morality" of what Anslo is doing to make an illogical point, rather than actually asking to sit down and talk about what's going on like adults.

Let me go over the tally of who has actually done so: .... Jennifer Starfall. That's it. And it took me throwing an open offer to the winds to get one person to take me up on it. Only one. Not you, Rinai Vero. Not you, James Syagrius. Not you, Deitra Vess.. though your neutrality would hardly be in question. Not even Anslo, willing to kill our employees, was willing to show up for Kaine.

You know what the funniest part is? Kaine left with her.

Those of you who took no initiative should feel ashamed.


Hey, hey! I made a suggestion to have Kaine make an announcement! I can't go and ask for interviews because I'm not a reporter and my questions to Kaine will more likely go along the lines of 'Are there any flaws in the reactor safeguards?' and 'Did you see somebody cut wires or sabotage circuit boards?'.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#160 - 2015-03-05 03:46:18 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
For all the histrionics thrown around here, not a single ******* one of you, including and especially speaking of Anslo, have actually asked me directly for any information outside of this IGS. None of you except Jennifer Starfall have asked to see Jordan Kaine. An arbitrary demand was made, hostages were taken and executed, and the lot of you are deciding it's easier to side with the incomprehensible "morality" of what Anslo is doing to make an illogical point, rather than actually asking to sit down and talk about what's going on like adults.

Let me go over the tally of who has actually done so: .... Jennifer Starfall. That's it. And it took me throwing an open offer to the winds to get one person to take me up on it. Only one. Not you, Rinai Vero. Not you, James Syagrius. Not you, Deitra Vess.. though your neutrality would hardly be in question. Not even Anslo, willing to kill our employees, was willing to show up for Kaine.

You know what the funniest part is? Kaine left with her.

Those of you who took no initiative should feel ashamed.


Hey, hey! I made a suggestion to have Kaine make an announcement! I can't go and ask for interviews because I'm not a reporter and my questions to Kaine will more likely go along the lines of 'Are there any flaws in the reactor safeguards?' and 'Did you see somebody cut wires or sabotage circuit boards?'.


Hmm. I'll allow you a single kudo for the suggestion. BUT THAT'S ALL. You didn't even ask to visit li'l ol' me.

Katrina Oniseki