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Circles are bad shapes to have in such large quantities on screen. The small cross is also an eyesore and just plain messy. Not to mention it's a relic of the current system, which makes sense only if it's planned to be removed later (and for now will just serve as a reminder "hey remember the cross guys? this is one of those").

There are far more efficient and aesthetically pleasing ways to denote NPC, and it's a matter of a few pixels of color difference. The new icons waste a lot of space in their allotted dimensions, which is another matter, but is another thing that stands to be improved by becoming bigger and more uniform.

These icons are being used inefficiently, and they're too small to fit simple indicators (such as NPC) within the body of the icon.

I'm also against significant differences between player ships and NPC icons due to the way it implies that NPC ships are somehow different, and it's not a big jump to interpret them as "not real." This is a mostly accurate assumption, but NPCs are there to simulate additional content, and it breaks immersion when you overtly denote them as non-player ships.

I just think drones and ships should be recognizable by their silhouettes as such, and the specifics of their types should be displayed wihin.

Outlines are a basic, instinctual, instant method the mind uses to recognize and categorize what the eyes see. Ships and drones are being overcomplicated with varied silhouettes, when they are two basic groups and should have as many silhouettes between them (two, not one per ship class).

Road signs are an excellent example of this. In the US, speed limits are displayed on white rectangular signs, and we first recognize the outline and color / contrast, and then register the information displayed within the body.

Hazard signs are the same way. They are orange triangles and we identify that first, as a hazard sign, then take note of what is within the body: pedestrian crossing, deer crossing, slippery road, winding road, steep downgrade, avalanche, etc.

All ships should have a silhouette in common like road signs. Then have identifying information within the silhouette. Drones should have a silhouette in common like hazard signs, with specifics about their nature within their silhouette.

In a client screen full of ships and drones, I only want to see two basic types of icons. ...Not a grab bag of too many shapes to efficiently process.

They have to be overtly denoted as non-player ships somehow, so making it as clear as possible is something that comes naturally out of that need. They're not there to simulate other people — they're there to offer automated opposition. Since the mechanics that surround the two are vastly different, it would do players a pretty huge disservice if the two were made harder to distinguish.

As four silhouettes and outlines, as already mentioned, this is a neat idea in theory, but it becomes wholly impractical at a the small sizes required here. You're looking at something that takes up maybe 4×4mm on your screen, and which needs to be trivially identifiable at an arm's length distance. It's also questionable if that level of detail is actually needed just for the icon. The S/M/L/XL categorisation (with perhaps some of the intermediate sizes thrown in for good measure) is plenty for what they're supposed to do. If you want the exact ship type, just look at the overview (where it will already tell you more details than a simple outline will).

I am really sorry to break the news, But I have just been on the mass test.
whilst I was concerned from the screenshots expanded on the devblog.
the reality was worse than my worst nightmares.
anything below battleship size was just unuseable.
and the Pod icon was just absurdly small.

Although I use glasses for reading and do not usually need them for computers, due to the fine detail of the client, I currently use reading glasses for the game.

as it stands on sisi, I will be unable to play, not through lack of desire, I love the game, but I just cannot see it! there is no combination of lenses that resolves the issue.

this is horrific!

please find a solution, it is not something one can work around as a user or get used to. optics can not be argued with :(

I love this game! please do not do this to us

Honestly?

I liked the new icons judging by the dev blog, liked the clarity, the ability to differentiate frigates vs. destroyers especially pops out as *very* useful to new players, as that's important info for them in the lower-tier security missions and combat anoms/sigs.

The forums are all "graah this change sucks" with varying degrees of actual argumentation and reasoning supporting the opinion expressed, but I guess that's mostly par for the course for MMO forums, as much as I keep hoping the EVE forums would surprise me to the contrary. "Most of the people" on the forums saying something really, REALLY does not mean it's the majority opinion, more often than not it's just a vocal minority.


Disclaimer: Okay, I'll admit I missed the mass test and I haven't spent much time trying them out on Singularity (due to having problems getting *on* Singularity last weekend due to a nonfunctional launcher), and I have perfect vision (despite being 30; someone claimed that they would be undiscernible to "anyone over 25"; as a side note, I know people over 50 with practically perfect vision). Despite the above, my opinion should be considered equally with everyone else's.

well i was on the mass test the other night.

I had the new icons, and if i had an option to change them there and then... they would have been gone.

ALLLLL of them.


they are just so alike its hard to tell whats what, and they look like someone dropped a bag of arts n craft shapes on a table... there is nothing that makes each stand out ( easy visible check) to see what ship class it is.

just another useless change to eve. Fix what the players want and ask for.

overall id say 1/10 for rating.

please do not implement this. :(

Completely agree except we need fewer levels of distinction. As an example of what it looked like in the test, players don't need to identify what kind of specific ship class it is by the icon. Most of the time we just care that we can quickly tell what is a player ship and what is an NPC, and then at best we might take notice if it is a small, medium, or large ship. The current TQ icons/brackets do that quite nicely. If we cared any more about it we would use the Type column and remove any doubt. That is all it needed to be and it was quite simple and clean.

Further, the states of people that are currently clearly visible in space on TQ on their icons due to having the room and open area in the icon to display this status. See below example, especially for caps, the new icons nearly completely hides the state color. This will make reliance on the Overview list even heavier to see things like Criminal, Suspect, War Target, etc.

Drifter Battleships also still use the old plus symbol. And that one's still wrong. Cruiser (groupID 26), not Battlehip (which would be groupID 27).

I really wanted to like these new icons, but I just can't.

If it takes more than a glance to identify something, the icons aren't designed properly. Sorry, but there it is. They look pretty in the abstract, but in use they are far too similar. The current icons only take a quick glance to determine threat/target category, and that's what we need. Not change for the sake of change.

I'm all for changing the icons, but it needs to be to something that improves gameplay, not causes screen squinting and delays.

Just rat in Gurista space and it will be all good.

NSA Bivas, the sugestion was posted before by Geanos, as per here:



However, yes, as much I personally appreciate the new ISIS icon they are hard to distinguish in the combat scenario. The Geanos suggestion was the one I most like for the new icons. It is simple and functional.

I am also agree with a new optional column right at the side of the icon column where I will be able to see if the ship are a tech 2 combat / logistic / warfare / booster / tech 3 type.

Looking forward to the new iteration of the icons. Your move CCP.