Missions & Complexes

I am a new player for 3 months with about 1million ISK in my wallet so please understand this before you give me the hopelessly pointless answer to the quest "just buy them."

A mission should be achievable, within the time frame, and achievable within the bonus time if you work really hard and even get lucky.

I looked for six hours in surrounding systems and there are no Blood rats just Sansha. Players gave me bad information that I shouldn't be finding Sansha in non disputed systems. That is wrong.

I had to go to my home system of Myyhera and surrounding areas to find Blood pirates

Over the course of looting tons of these guys over six hours I was not able to find one tag. They cost 1-3 million per tag. I would be better off SELLING THEM.

This is really badly designed mission.

In character, the agent is obviously hopelessly out of touch with what is going on in surrounding systems. That doesnt seem right since she lives in a tiny box in the middle of a system with no stations. Youd think she would want to be concerned about all the Sansha infesting the area!

Here is the mission:

Keeping Crime in Check

Mission briefing
Right now I'm looking for 20 x Blood Bronze Tag. These tags have been implanted into certain pirates which infest Amarr Empire space, which they use to identify each other with. To acquire them you will most likely have to kill them, or buy them off someone who did exactly that. I don't really care either way, as long as they have been taken care of I'm satisfied.

This might not be the very best way to confirm deaths, but we've been quite successful in the past using this method. Forgeries are almost non-existent, as each tag costs more to manufacture than it's worth on the bounty market. Not only that but we can usually tell a fake apart from a genuine pirate tag. And they have remarkable survivability, usually found in the charred wreckage of the pirate ships despite everything else, including the pirate's corpse, having been completely vaporized.

You can find the pirates carrying the Blood Bronze Tag in many places, but I'd first check the asteroid belts in the surrounding systems as attacking defenseless miners is their favorite past-time. Good luck, and have fun.

This mission expires at 2015.03.08 23:49

This is an important mission, which will have significant impact on your faction standings.

Keeping Crime In Check Objectives
The following objectives must be completed to finish the mission:

Bring Item Objective
Acquire these goods:
Drop-off Location 0.7 Selate Kalami's Bunker in Kudi.
Item 20 x Blood Bronze Tag (2.0 m³)




Rewards
The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission: 149,000 ISK



Bonus Rewards
Bonus no longer available. The bonus time interval has passed. 191,000 ISK

Thanks for reading my post and suggesting what I already tried for six hours.

There are plenty of Blood Raiders elsewhere but none of them carry this supposedly indestructible tag.

There are plenty of them in the low-sec belts. My noob has found quite a few. But it's not something that will happen in a day especially with low skills.

Consider running alternate missions for isk to buy the tags. Hunting for them will take considerably more time than running missions and using that isk. Heck you could even mine ore faster than hunting for the tags.

The hunt should only be done for the sake of completing a goal.

"It can take weeks to gather up the necessary tags, so you should do it ahead of time, or be prepared to spend millions of ISK to buy the tags before the mission expires."

In other words..... BAD GAME DESIGN. Either that or they're trying to roleplay the Amarr Empire as out of touch and doomed to fall, like yesterday....

If I were to leave things as they were with the terrible drop rate and I was designing it I would let it be like the WoW rep grind in Shattrath for example, where you turn in trophies of battle whenever you like...there is no expiration date. The agent just says "Hey you have any tokens for me?" and you turn them in. Profit. It does not set unrealistic expectations and a timer on some unwitting noob like myself.

Thanks for the tip about COSMOS areas, I will try that. Because if I can find a way to farm them I'll be rich!

I can mine like 1 million worth of luminous kernite, fly to Jita and sell it per hour, that's 20 hours to work on this mission. I would frankly have more fun doing something else like play FFXV or WoW. That's something to think about for the health of the game, I'm only playing because I have so much work to do off window and I can play with my eyes closed practically. Can't do that in FFXV or WoW.

But I want to see progress if I am working on something difficult. I logged another 3 hours today killing Bloods in random systems off Myyhera.

Just drop this mission and get new ones.

if you really killed Blood Raiders for 3 hours you should now have at least 10-15 mio.
(Bounties, loot and salvage)

scan down some ded 2/10 - 4/10. And your money problem is gone.

You seem to think there is some kind of lore or RP reason for/to these missions. There is not.

The only reason these missions exist is so that players can quickly raise their faction standings. As such, they're not poorly designed as you said. They're just designed to be very simple: pay money - get standings.

All four main factions have these missions available. So it's not the game designers' goal to portray the Amarr as "out of touch and doomed to fail." RP simply does not figure into these missions at all, in any way, shape or form.

Note that there are several Keeping Crime in Check missions, each asking for different tags. While some of those tags are quite expensive, some of them are dirt cheap. How much you want to pay to raise your faction standings is entirely up to you.

tl;dr: When Keeping Crime in Check, stay OOC and forget everything about RP.

No it doesn't. You're dumb and you're a newb at communicating politely with other people.

The mission agent clearly states they are indestructible tags found on nearby pirates of which there are a lot of. I posted the whole mission text and she says nothing about getting them before accepting the mission.

Congratulations I totally hate you now.

Where are you getting the idea that this mission is impossible? People in this thread have given multiple suggestions on how to complete it.

If you intend to play EVE with only the information given by NPCs and in-game text, you won't get very far. Call it bad game design if you want, but EVE was designed for player interaction. Player communication is what drives everything in this game, even "PvE" strategy.

I'd hardly call completing a mission "winning."

Also, mining (for a new player at least) is one of the lowest income methods in the game. I don't expect you to make a bil per day like some people, but a couple million is far from impossible. Don't get so hung up on the one method you tried.

EDIT: I do think the "once only thing" is a bit harsh in the case of failure. I would suggest if the OP has lost access to some of these missions due to failure they petition it. It is possible a kindly disposed GM will reset the missions for them.
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You can get stupidly high factions standings very very quickly by doing all the data center missions.

If players could just churn through them in a few days that would be very unbalanced for the game. Everyone would be at level 3 or 4 mission standing within their first month of play rendering lower level missioning meaningless.

Personally I do not see it as a bad design that you can accept the mission before you are capable of completing. People can often accept level IV missions well before they have the ship or skills to have a hope in hell of completing them. It is impractical for the game to somehow analyse your skills and refuse to issue a mission if you are not up to it.

I always interpreted these missions as a long term reward for collecting tags.

In reality the SENSIBLE approach is sell all the different tags you get and then buy the specific ones you need. You may lose a few mill on the deal but its way easier than keeping track of all the different types.

BTW: 3 mill per tag is cheap, some of the higher datacentres require 20 tags worth 10 or 20 mill each.

SOLUTION? Well I do not think one is needed but IF it was to change the best change would be increase the standing gateways on the lower missions to stop people taking them too early.