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Do these sov changes mean smaller groups can get a foothold?

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Greg Inglis
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1 - 2015-03-04 15:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Greg Inglis
As coalitions hold vast swathes of relatively empty and "unused" space, does this mean that smaller fish could get a foothold due to the requirement of mindless grinding being removed? Shocked

Edit: After further thinking, I realise the answer is most likely no, please excuse my visions of grandeur
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-03-04 16:01:09 UTC
The Big guys still have a huge advantage... not much you can do about that

No Worries
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-03-04 16:14:58 UTC
I think that is partly the whole point of the changes.

If you find systems that are not used much and plan it right, then there is a good chance that sov space will open up for a few more Alliances.

Even the jump fatigue changes saw a couple of new groups enter sov that the large coalitions didn't want to have to defend. That could occur again with the phase 2 changes.

In the end, there's only 1 way to truly know.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#4 - 2015-03-04 16:16:52 UTC
Greg Inglis wrote:
As coalitions hold vast swathes of relatively empty and "unused" space, does this mean that smaller fish could get a foothold due to the requirement of mindless grinding being removed? Shocked

Edit: After further thinking, I realise the answer is most likely no, please excuse my visions of grandeur


You're excused, hell we had to excuse CCP for the same thing starting in December 2009.
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Sovereignty Evolves

The system of territorial control in EVE advances, providing more tactical, capture-based gameplay. Alliances both large and small will find more opportunities within their grasp and an engaging conquest system in place to seize them. Rulers will now have to actively defend space they have claimed.


What's funny is reading the dev blog thread and watching people believe the same kind of thinking applied now will bring a different result. It takes CCP 6 years to change sov so see yall in 2021 Twisted
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-03-04 16:27:29 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
The Big guys still have a huge advantage... not much you can do about that


I think you underestimate how empty 0.0 really is.

I guess the short answer is yes. it will be easier to actually get sov.. for everyone? At least if you don't go to poke someone right away.

I'd worry more about asking whether it's really worth the 'trouble' for any other purpose than having your name on the map =p
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-03-04 16:35:26 UTC

I think I've seen in a few places now where a bloc person is complaining about having no motivation to hold onto the space they have (they are lying).

The bigger problem is, what motivation would someone have to come take this barren space? Either they are farming ISK in the safety and comfort of hisec, or they are seeking out new frontiers in WH where the land truly is fertile. I think the gudfites won't come because small groups would have no motivation to take any space.





To which there is but one solution: we must kill the hisec.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-03-04 16:39:20 UTC
Well holding on to space is yay, you get the bonus to the POS fuel thing but you don't need sov for stations anymore and you don't need it for the other thingy. I'd not be surprised if it ends up dropping in unimportant places, which is kind of the point.

On the other hand, keeping the sov wont be as 'hard' as it is today. It'll just be a lot more hassle.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-04 16:41:19 UTC
"the other thingy".. ok, Ki P

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-03-04 16:45:38 UTC
You know, the complicated thing, the one that upgrades itself and defines how hard space is to... sov laser... Can we call it a sov laser if the sov is not actually that important.. in not important places?
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-03-04 17:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
I didn't see where the IHUB itself gives a defensive bonus (that would slow down an enemy's Entosis Link). Defensive bonus comes from the indices. They did mention IHUB upgrades that will tweak system bonuses, and maybe defensive bonuses are amongst them..

Edit: I guess the IHUB enables indices (without which there would be no defensive bonus) and contributes to Strategic Index which feeds into defensive bonus.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-03-04 17:14:26 UTC
See! The other thingy! Complicated!
Serene Repose
#12 - 2015-03-04 17:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
It means you can't just turn the map blue and everybody goes, "Whoa, we better not go in there!" It means you have to hold what you take or you lose it. It also means you can't get 1,000 people in once a month and hold onto a majority of the map. What small alliances can do with these new mechanics will rely largely upon just how well organized and productive your group is. Carebears just got very popular, cause to do this you're gonna need a good organization that can actually DO things besides

GANK


TYVM. Have a nice day!Big smile

PS The actual "discussion" of this is HERE and not surprisingly, are they getting bogged down in speculative minutia. Woo hoo.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#13 - 2015-03-04 17:25:33 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I think I've seen in a few places now where a bloc person is complaining about having no motivation to hold onto the space they have (they are lying).

The bigger problem is, what motivation would someone have to come take this barren space? Either they are farming ISK in the safety and comfort of hisec, or they are seeking out new frontiers in WH where the land truly is fertile. I think the gudfites won't come because small groups would have no motivation to take any space.





To which there is but one solution: we must kill the hisec.




I think giving a reason to hold space might be phase 3. I would think ti would be phase 2, but i think it has to wait for a pos revamp. So my guess is they wan to see how the mechanic changes go to create conflict, then add drivers. Null needs a total rework in the area of resources. You should be more then able to grab a constellation and an alliance of likr 500-1000 members should be able to live there and have all the resources they need very easily to do what they want. But with how moon mining is, you have to have, for lack of a better term, urban sprawl all over the bloody place. Null sec before moon mining was rather vibrant, back in the XF federation days. Hell even the first iteration of pos warfare and null was pretty active. It just got worse as moon lords gained more moons.. then came constellation sov... yea.. worst idea ever that.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Princess Cherista
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-03-04 18:04:09 UTC
Greg Inglis wrote:
As coalitions hold vast swathes of relatively empty and "unused" space, does this mean that smaller fish could get a foothold due to the requirement of mindless grinding being removed? Shocked

Edit: After further thinking, I realise the answer is most likely no, please excuse my visions of grandeur


Take a look at what an ihub is, how many M3 it is, how you move it and where it needs to go then decide.
Josef Djugashvilis
#15 - 2015-03-04 18:15:20 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I think I've seen in a few places now where a bloc person is complaining about having no motivation to hold onto the space they have (they are lying).

The bigger problem is, what motivation would someone have to come take this barren space? Either they are farming ISK in the safety and comfort of hisec, or they are seeking out new frontiers in WH where the land truly is fertile. I think the gudfites won't come because small groups would have no motivation to take any space.





To which there is but one solution: we must kill the hisec.



Do away with null-sec. Smile

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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#16 - 2015-03-04 18:49:19 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
You should be more then able to grab a constellation and an alliance of likr 500-1000 members should be able to live there and have all the resources they need very easily to do what they want.


Excellent idea.

One way of doing this is for instance moving all level 4 missions from high sec to null sec in player owned stations. And maybe even level 3 missions perhaps? Or move those to low sec. Something like: High sec: level 1 and 2 missions, lowsec level 3 missions and null sec gets the leven 4 and 5's.

Make it so CCP! Twisted
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-03-04 18:55:16 UTC
Once you got it, good luck holding it.P
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2015-03-04 18:56:34 UTC
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