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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2015-03-04 05:54:15 UTC
There is a chance to pick up Vaginal-Herpes in the process.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Serene Repose
#42 - 2015-03-04 06:00:05 UTC
I knew if we tried hard enough we'd hit the gutter eventually.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#43 - 2015-03-04 11:17:39 UTC
Not asking for a full API is only viable if you have nothing and don't plan on being anything more than a casual player with no real ties .

The guy that stole 600 bill gave his full API, so its not even foolproof on its own. Thieves and spies can grow after recruiting them too. A proper spy will also take the time to manipulate what he can before submitting it.
But just ignoring a full API simply means less work for spies and other "destructive" EVE careers. Or in other words; more spies and thieves.

Trusting somebody in EVE you've played with for years is a calculated (and often rewarding) risk. Trusting someone you don't know is plain stupid. Welcome to EVE.

For all ambitious folks out there only one option exists: Play the metagame. Get max intel about everything. That includes a simple thing like a full API. If you don't even take basic steps to try and get at least some intel and weed out the easiest to find scum, good luck protecting yourself against the more experienced ones ....
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#44 - 2015-03-04 11:39:16 UTC
Never had to submit an API key for a corp I've applied to crew checking in.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-03-04 12:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiandoshia
Claud Tiberius wrote:
Roll The reason Corps ask for full API is to mainly:

- Find out where you are.
- What you have been doing.
- What your abilities are.
- Tally corp statistics.
- Other(?).

So a great example of what this can do: If your corp is on deployment and your not helping out - the CEO can confirm this by looking at your API.



I like to say, It's a great tool for people who inspire to be an NSA equivalent.


You can see that in the corp window and potentially the corp wallet journal =p

But yeah, most of the time, or in my experience, API keys are used to be able to tell what kind of ships you can fly, roles you can fill and that sort of stuff.
Since a full API key pretty much shows everything except for private convos (I think), you can also use them to screen a character, figure out alts and all that.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-03-04 12:06:33 UTC
Cartheron Crust wrote:
Never had to submit an API key for a corp I've applied to crew checking in.



Great, I can put an alt on this account into your corp for premium super easy awoxing opportunities and you'll never even know. Well I would if your corp was half way relevant.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#47 - 2015-03-04 12:09:51 UTC
No Class wrote:
Wow, thanks for the honest responses. I feel allot better about it now.


You can always delete the API key at a later date, cutting off the information instantly.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Crest Zah Donartal
Bluenose Corporation
#48 - 2015-03-04 12:18:07 UTC
the largest thefts were not prevented by API...

The only one you can catch by analyzing API are the wouldbee spies/awoxer.
The biger ones, ........................................just dream about.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-03-04 12:50:29 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Do deleted mails appear in the full API also ?
Depends on whether or not you remember to empty the trash folder.




I had a conversation about this with a friend one time. Don't count on deleting your mails faster than your corp pinging the API and downloading what's there. It's a better policy to not have anything sensitive in email.

I have a hard time following that advice myself.. most or all my mails have some personal content so it is not trivial just to hide myself completely.



Thanks Sibbs

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-03-04 12:51:50 UTC
Crest Zah Donartal wrote:
the largest thefts were not prevented by API...

The only one you can catch by analyzing API are the wouldbee spies/awoxer.
The biger ones, ........................................just dream about.



It puts a barrier up between the corp and awoxers/theft.... my character has 75mil skill points all PvP orientated... im a good catch Blink how do you know i havent awoxed before? i could go from corp to corp using my apparent skill to get in and no one would know different.

With api check this toon would be useless after the first time.... assuming the recruiter knows what to look for lol.
That means to do it requires a lot more effort and effectivly burning a toon... THAT is the biggest deffence for a corp

DISCLAIMER! I have not and will not awox or steal from a corp... well... that can be proven

No Worries
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#51 - 2015-03-04 13:24:21 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
I take it you don't do recruitment, or you don't do it very well. Every scrap of information that appears can always be vetted later, if not meta checked immediately, to eliminate problems before they become large problems. The more facts someone has to juggle, the harder the liar finds to do so.


Actually we just prefer not to run our computer game guild like a totalitarian police state.



And that is why your security is ****.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-03-04 14:20:38 UTC
Hearing what the recruitement officers ***** about in my corp, I would assume many corps just ask for full API because they grew tired of asking the same potential recruit to re-send the same API 6 different time because clicking the requested boxes is hard. If you ask for select all, you know what you need will be there.
Reiisha
#53 - 2015-03-04 15:13:03 UTC
Zealous Miner wrote:
A full API key allows them to look, but not touch.

They can see stuff like assets, EVE mails, characters, standings, contacts, skill queue, wallet, transactions, etc., etc. So, unless you have something to hide it is safe.


There are legit reasons for not wanting to share your mail or wallet log without them involving a variation of the word 'spy'.

If a corp wants a full API i would ask myself "why" first. Lots of empire corps which really don't have a reason to do so ask for them....

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Novah Soul
#54 - 2015-03-04 17:22:07 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Zealous Miner wrote:
A full API key allows them to look, but not touch.

They can see stuff like assets, EVE mails, characters, standings, contacts, skill queue, wallet, transactions, etc., etc. So, unless you have something to hide it is safe.


There are legit reasons for not wanting to share your mail or wallet log without them involving a variation of the word 'spy'.

If a corp wants a full API i would ask myself "why" first. Lots of empire corps which really don't have a reason to do so ask for them....

I agree. And the need for full API is even further reduced for those highsec corps whom have their friendly fire settings turned to illegal.

A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2015-03-04 17:44:05 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Hearing what the recruitement officers ***** about in my corp, I would assume many corps just ask for full API because they grew tired of asking the same potential recruit to re-send the same API 6 different time because clicking the requested boxes is hard. If you ask for select all, you know what you need will be there.


This is probably the main reason.

You talk people through registration processes for 60 different third party services and by the time you get to the API, you just think you know what.. just tick everything.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#56 - 2015-03-04 22:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ACESsiggy
Just wait until after the Api process when they ask you to visit their website to answer questionnaires, then just to proceed with a TS3 interview! I wouldn't be surprised if they soon ask new members for credit card numbers or social security #'s haha.‼️

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#57 - 2015-03-04 23:21:55 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Just wait until after the Api process when they ask you to visit their website to answer questionnaires, then just to proceed with a TS3 interview! I wouldn't be surprised if they soon ask new members for credit card numbers or social security #'s haha.‼️


this.

+ teamspeak x many, jabber, fleetup, pigeon, coalition channels, backup channels....i wish api was never invented

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#58 - 2015-03-05 00:59:21 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Just wait until after the Api process when they ask you to visit their website to answer questionnaires, then just to proceed with a TS3 interview! I wouldn't be surprised if they soon ask new members for credit card numbers or social security #'s haha.‼️
Relevant

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#59 - 2015-03-05 02:53:33 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
And that is why your security is ****.

Considering we've had zero security incidents in 5 years even when we've had notorious scammers in our alliance I'd tend to disagree.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#60 - 2015-03-05 04:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
this is very funny, people are very afraid to give full APIs because somebody can see their uber RPing mails, nothing too kinky in there i hope. Big smile

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