EVE General Discussion

I see Your in pro synergy, so just to add something,
Launche mtu, launche salvage drones. click f (have nothing targeted) Vola
I can run 3 accounts in that way, each off them on diffrent sites. lol
(without paying pretty mutch anyn attention. and you can do that without isb boxer, or anything. so Yeah. X.x :P

(i did not say what you do or did not do)
idk what else to say, lol.

Swing and a miss. You just undermined your own argument. Network latency, since we're talking about a group of players all hitting F1 at the same time thereby removing human interface delays, would cause a smaller fleet (the ISBoxer fleet) to be disadvantaged because of the DPS or alpha that he is missing, assuming a post-nerf fleet. For a pre-nerf fleet, again, stop comparing BRAVE pilots to PL. Just because you cannot find ten random people who can F1 at the same time does not mean that they don't exist.

I'm suddenly reminded of a friend who compared ISBoxer to AGDQ/SRA and the Halo Segmented Speedruns. When they were doing their runs, they had to synchronize the weapons, ammo, grenades, and health from segment to segment to maintain continuity. The idea behind the segments was that it was (if I remember correctly) to run a game in the fastest way possible if nothing goes wrong / lucky with spawns / very skilled player. While ISBoxer and Segmented Speedruns share some common themes, the major difference between the two is that if you mess up in EVE with ISBoxer by, say, warping your logi off grid prematurely, you can't "do it over" with no penalty.

You keep going back to comparing an ISBoxer fleet to a pub fleet, and you need to stop.

ISBoxer does not instantaneously broadcast F1 from client 1 to clients 2-10. Most if not all of the VG boxers have made comments regarding the fact that the F1 that's sent to 2-10 seemed at times to be upwards of half a second delayed, and we aren't even going into hiccups in the clients or their connection, or, as I mentioned and you steadfastly ignored, the destruction that occurs when an ISBoxer disconnects.

What I don't understand is why you don't understand why some people like to play the game differently than you do. Some people like to "level their Raven", some like to PVP all day, and others prefer the solitude of a nice quiet null system, to name but a few. We prefer to take our reflexes, know-how, EFT-warrioring, and hardware to a new level.

When you go back to comparing a highly skilled and trained PVP fleet or VG fleet to an ISBox fleet, then we can talk. I already went into great detail as to why manually switching to each window and pressing a button puts the ISBoxer at a disadvantage when compared to an identical fleet, and I'm growing seriously tired of your circular arguing. However, your seemingly willful ignorance of my posts and the number of logical fallacies you participate in is disheartening for the future of this game if this is all it takes to get something removed. Maybe I should start stamping my feet and demand CCP remove all titans; they just might do it.

Eli,
the big Problem is: isboxer user adapted to the new Change, and they made Setups without broadcasts and Input Multiplexing and still got banned. that is the big Problem we have here.

dont get me wrong, we dont want to violate the eula. we just wanna Play.

you are wrong.
a cpu no matter how many cores it has will always work one command at a time per cpu core.
hence 10 boxes running on a quad core cpu will cause the boxes to delayed Actions. even if triggered at the same time.
cause the cpu has to manage 10 eve Clients over 4 or 8 cores.
if we Forget about Overhead for a Minute you might get synchronized Clients within 6 or 7 Clients on a 8 core cpu.
but even that is not synchronized cause Windows takes cpu, and every other running Programm.

when youre on lan for example, and youre sending voice synchronized Action commands to one Server over one Connection but from different Computers, they are better synchronized than a multiboxer on one Computer.

WHAT, Did he get banned?!?!? he's one off the nicest People i know in eve, And he really enjoys the game... Something is so wrong if he got banned, so wrong. He play's legit in my eyes. And he's paying from him own wallet last time I checked. So this is not fun, its not fair. That's ccp/gm's. over/screwing an loyal customer. Like, if he get banned. Anyone can get banned. Then ccp is at risk banning me too then. (or maby an gm) But this is wrong. It's so wrong.


(idk what to more to say)

you know that he is not faster than a regular fleet, even slower.
so where is an Advantage?
but go on. he was boxing within the rules of the eula and still got banned.

You kept bringing up stuff like "reaction times", something that a fleet that's on their toes would not be affected by any more than the ISBoxer. Additionally, the ISBoxer may be some poor guy in Australia, which has some of the slowest, lowest quality internet connections in the world. As for hardware, a single boxer in a fleet has the near-total power of his CPU, RAM (assuming he isn't using Google Chrome with it's atrocious RAM usage) and video card at his disposal to ensure that his single client does not "hiccup" and cause a delay or even loss of commands issued. I used to run 11 clients on an i7 quad core 3.0 ghz cpu with only 8gb of ram. For the record, it is recommended to have 1gb of ram + 1 CPU core / client when running ISBoxer in order to minimize hiccups. I had to upgrade to an AMD 8350 8 core 4.0 ghz CPU and acquire 16gb in extra RAM in order to smooth my boxing out due to a relatively out-dated video card. Additionally, it is recommended to EVE Boxers to turn every graphics option off or to the lowest setting available, which prevents someone from following incoming lasers and locking up the victim beforehand.


You compared it to said perfect fleet but then talked about things such as reaction times, something that a well-disciplined and well trained fleet would not be affected by. I do apologize if I missed a comparison later on where you did not talk about reaction times.


Oh look, another personal attack coupled with a Kafkatrap. How quaint. You assume that I only ever come out to talk about ISBoxer issues, when in reality I've been a fairly active member in Missions and Complexes, Ships and Modules, Sell Orders, Want Orders and Trades, General Discussion, and Wormholes. Additionally, if you go went up to any ISBoxer in the game, and ask him for advice, questions, etc. regarding his fleet, his fits, or whatever, 99 times out of 100 he'll be happy to sit down and have a chat. Hell, that's how I first got into multiboxing. I managed to chat with one of the "grandfathers" of VG boxing when I was very new. I was a staunch anti-boxer at the time, though I don't really have a way to prove that without a time machine, and I was initially hostile to the person. However, after sitting down and actually talking to him, he convinced me that ISBoxer was not botting, and that it didn't break the EULA, especially 6A3, as he earned no more ISK than some of the top-level dedicated VG communities.

That being said, I was a supporter and donated ISK to CODE when they first came out because I supported their stance against actual, down-at-the-corner-store-while-program-ran, bots.

it is not done and sorted?