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CSM - The what?

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-03-03 22:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Not everyone is good at PVP. These people will have a perpetual need for ISK that they lose in PVP. Not everyone who is good at PVP has the scooping/salvaging workflow that helps them fund their PVP without grinding.

Hisec is a necessary evil to fund the core element of the game, PVP. When a better, more interesting, risk balanced idea comes about, we will happily see the end of safe grinding. Yes I mean the end of bluesec too.

Edit: made a clarification.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#42 - 2015-03-03 22:32:43 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Not everyone is good at PVP.
I consider myself on the border. If you die to me or are worse than me, you should probably quit. TwistedP

The great thing about PVP is that there is a role for everyone.
You can join a gang, with a Myrm, orbit someone and assign your drones to someone else.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-03-03 22:40:31 UTC

I'm worse at PVP than anyone I've met in the game. It doesn't make me want to quit. I just want to be better like them.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Marsha Mallow
#44 - 2015-03-03 22:40:56 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
You gank people in highsec because they make more money than you do in 0.0?

That's probably one of the more interesting reasons I heard for doing it. Everyone else just seems to do it cause they're bored.

No I just randomly shoot everyone tbh. Whoring on blue kms and getting away with it is the ultimate challenge (whilst flying logi).

I think you misread my post (if you are talking to me?). I've always maintained ISK making alts in highsec. Even with the indy changes there's still no need to relocate - mainly because having to deal with ('important') nullbears who can't count isn't worth my time. Ganking highsec scrubs with other alts felt wrong at first. But then they offered to **** me, my family, my pets and it felt fine (honestly, the abuse you get for touching a highsec space chariot is above and beyond any of the worst blobsec meta).

Gankfests are an expression of our annoyance at CCP for coddling the themeparkers, a means to disrupt logistics and the opportunity to just be naughty.
Sibyyl wrote:
Not everyone is good at PVP. These people will have a perpetual need for ISK that they lose in PVP. Not everyone who is good at PVP has the scooping/salvaging workflow that helps them fund their PVP without grinding.

Hisec is a necessary evil to fund the core element of the game, PVP. When a better, more interesting, risk balanced idea comes about, we will happily see the end of safe grinding. Yes I mean the end of bluesec too.

It is a massive problem enabling your fellow players to play without the grind. The best PVPers typically can't stand the intricacies of passive ISK making, and burn out trying active forms. It doesn't help when lot of these highly commited players have a short window where they are really engaged because they are either students or people-playing-too-much because of RL reasons. The best ISK makers cannot be arsed dealing with the demands of leadership groups who at best can't count, more commonly ignore their suggestions, and at worst saddle them with being in charge of logistics. It's a real waste of some of the best nerds ingame. There's a bigger question here about the balance of playstyles ingame, which this sovblog is touching on and seems to be going unnoticed.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-03-03 23:16:01 UTC
Oh sorry, I must have misunderstood something.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#46 - 2015-03-03 23:18:55 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Now I have an urge to investigate the aquatic life of Malawi, and their intimate habits...

Breeding African cichlids
Marsha Mallow
#47 - 2015-03-03 23:24:24 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Oh sorry, I must have misunderstood something.

Please accept my deepest apologies for interrupting. Continue.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Jenshae Chiroptera
#48 - 2015-03-03 23:27:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Marsha Mallow wrote:
The more you post, the more votes you lose. Seriously.
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence. P

I probably lost before I even thought of running for CSM. Blink
Oh and most of the votes are already in, it is just open now for people that are on vaction, broken PCs, et cetera, so they can't whine.
Sibyyl wrote:
I'm worse at PVP than anyone I've met in the game. It doesn't make me want to quit. I just want to be better like them.
A matter of play style, really.
Put me in a frigate and I am hopeless, all that transversal stuff, figuring out where they are, where I am and so forth, best left to the kids with sharp twitch reflexes.

I either drift up and see whose ship melts first in the larger ones, covert scout or I hang back and repair people as a logi.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Marsha Mallow
#49 - 2015-03-04 00:04:19 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.

I did recommend that you stop talking.
10b or I'll put this in my sig Pirate

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-03-04 01:16:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.


Yea, lying to yourself.

See, what you would post is CHARACTER population figures because that's all CCP has ever given. No accounting for who is an alt. The whole "the majority plays in high sec" think some people have clung to for years is a lie, you don't know what proportion of players are high sec only (or null only, or PVE only etc etc).

And you have these mysterious stats yourself?


Notice how you asked me that question and not the actual person who made the actual claim lol. What I'm saying is that no one knows (but the idea of a 'high sec majority' is questionable given the fact that people have alts).

Once again you see things through your personal bubble. If you KNOW then why did you ASK except to be a smarta$$ and if that's the CASE you're just spamming the forum, not being intelligent about anything. Some general assumptions can be made, and your being obteuse about it doesn't change that fact.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#51 - 2015-03-04 01:37:40 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.

I did recommend that you stop talking.
10b or I'll put this in my sig Pirate
Go ahead, I can't be bribed or extorted. Bear

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Marsha Mallow
#52 - 2015-03-04 01:41:51 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.

I did recommend that you stop talking.
10b or I'll put this in my sig Pirate
Go ahead, I can't be bribed or extorted. Bear

I like your spirit!

Sig better work

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-03-04 01:43:41 UTC
He is right.. sometimes you get competent people who become popular though and miracles happen.
Marsha Mallow
#54 - 2015-03-04 01:51:08 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
He is right.. sometimes you get competent people who become popular though and miracles happen.

Which 'he' are you on about you daft monkey?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Jenshae Chiroptera
#55 - 2015-03-04 01:54:04 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.

I did recommend that you stop talking.
10b or I'll put this in my sig Pirate
Go ahead, I can't be bribed or extorted. Bear
I like your spirit!
Sig better work
It probably will, in my favour. P
People are going to go, "I don't like that person. Telling me what to do! Shocked
I'll vote for Jen just to spite Marsha!X Muhahahaha. Twisted"

RollLol
Phineas T. Barnum wrote:
There's no such thing as bad publicity

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#56 - 2015-03-04 02:04:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:

Sig better work
It probably will, in my favour. P
People are going to go, "I don't like that person. Telling me what to do! Shocked
I'll vote for Jen just to spite Marsha!X Muhahahaha. Twisted"

Not quite.

I'd vote for Marsha though.

Nothing against you specifically, but I've already voted anyway.
Marsha Mallow
#57 - 2015-03-04 02:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Phineas T. Barnum wrote:

'There's no such thing as bad publicity

There's no such thing as bad publicity is often associated with Phineas T. Barnum, the 19th century American showman and circus owner.
Barnum was a self-publicist of the first order and never missed an opportunity to present his wares to the public. As with many other supposed quotations, there's no hard evidence to link the 'bad publicity' quotation to him. The proverbial expression began to be used in the early 20th century. The earliest version that I have found in print is from the US newspaper The Atlanta Constitution, January, 1915:
All publicity is good if it is intelligent.
The thought behind the proverb had been expressed earlier by Oscar Wilde:
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. <- Goons/CODE are clearly Wilde fanbois.
There's no such thing as bad publicity
Probably the most celebrated adapter of the expression was another great wit from the Dublin literary scene, the Irish Republican and "drinker with a writing problem", Brendan Behan. Behan's boisterous lifestyle meant that for him, more than others, there was truth in his opinion that:
There's no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary.
But anyway, testing new sig *hush*

ps. I prefer Machiavelli, which I guess makes me a goon. Oh well

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Jenshae Chiroptera
#58 - 2015-03-04 02:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nothing against you specifically, but I've already voted anyway.
It can't be me specifically.
There is a mental image people make that is based off the perception of what someone is like via this medium of communication.
People that I have spoken with frequently and then met face to face, there is a distortion, the Internet is a looking glass and we put a lot of ourselves onto others. In text, there is a lot of missing tone and body language, so a lot of things I say in jest, tongue in cheek people might rage about.

I don't know why I go on forums. I managed to stay sober for years, then someone links me to something or I look something up ... one thing leads to another, I am replying to a post of some sort and a few years later I crawl away from my PC trying to remember anything that was worth typing in all that consumed time.
Marsha Mallow wrote:
The thought behind the proverb had been expressed earlier by Oscar Wilde:
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. <- Goons/CODE are clearly Wilde fanbois.
Desperation for significance so as not to slip into the grave unnoticed and unremarked?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#59 - 2015-03-04 02:45:03 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Phineas T. Barnum wrote:

'There's no such thing as bad publicity

There's no such thing as bad publicity is often associated with Phineas T. Barnum, the 19th century American showman and circus owner.
Barnum was a self-publicist of the first order and never missed an opportunity to present his wares to the public. As with many other supposed quotations, there's no hard evidence to link the 'bad publicity' quotation to him. The proverbial expression began to be used in the early 20th century. The earliest version that I have found in print is from the US newspaper The Atlanta Constitution, January, 1915:
All publicity is good if it is intelligent.
The thought behind the proverb had been expressed earlier by Oscar Wilde:
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. <- Goons/CODE are clearly Wilde fanbois.
There's no such thing as bad publicity
Probably the most celebrated adapter of the expression was another great wit from the Dublin literary scene, the Irish Republican and "drinker with a writing problem", Brendan Behan. Behan's boisterous lifestyle meant that for him, more than others, there was truth in his opinion that:
There's no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary.
But anyway, testing new sig *hush*

ps. I prefer Machiavelli, which I guess makes me a goon. Oh well

Yeah. Rick James's manager tried to revive his career based on the bad publicity (his girlfriend and a pickup date incident/arrest thing). Didn't work for Rick, only because he didn't manage to produce any new content after that. But still, the right idea.

Put a vote in for OP, btw. At least he's thinking, and also doing.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#60 - 2015-03-04 03:04:24 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Put a vote in for OP, btw. At least he's thinking, and also doing.
Thank you. Quoted to CSM thread. Smile

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.