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Earthologists call on President Roden to secure peace

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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#1 - 2015-03-03 21:00:27 UTC
News reaches Gutter Press that a group of self-described "Earthologists", have called on President Roden to secure a peace deal with the Amarr Empire, in order to further their research !

"Earth", the mythic planet on which humans came into existence, is alleged to have been a planet on the other side of the EVE gate.

The "Earthologists" claim that the Amarr Empire contains the largest collection of EVE Gate era artifacts, and also contains numerous objects said to have come from the other side of the Gate, and that the ongoing militia war has made research into Earthology impossible.

"President Roden must extend an offer of peace to the Amarr", said one Earthologist, an untidy looking bearded Intaki.
"It is vital to the future of humanity, that we study the past!", said another.
"I heard the Ardishapur Museum of Antiquities contains thousands of Earth artifacts, and even ones from Terra, another planet on that side of the Gate!", said an enthusiastic Gallente Earthologist.

Other people were less than enthusiastic about the prospect of a peace deal with the Empire.

"These crackpots want us to sign a peace deal with the Empire, so they can look at old pieces of rubbish?", asked an incredulous ethnic Minmatar
"Earth ? Sounds like something you'd say if you stepped in something nasty", said a Gallente body art painter.
"If Earth, or Terra, or any of those other places still exist, they'd be awful places to visit", said an ethnic Amarr street preacher. "It's right there in the Scriptures. We left the evil old worlds behind, and came here. It is written."


If you have any information about the whereabouts of Earth, contact your local Gutter Press correspondent.

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Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-03-03 21:06:06 UTC
Ha!, only if the Amarr agree to stop using slave labor for the research crews!

Earth? terrible name for a planet , may as well call it Dirt.. planet Dirt...
I thought we were long past such superstitious nonsense?
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#3 - 2015-03-03 22:55:02 UTC
Anyone describing themselves as a "professional Earthologist", should have a really good think about what they are doing with their life.

And get a shave and haircut.

And proper clothes.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2015-03-03 22:58:43 UTC
Old pieces of... rubbish ??
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#5 - 2015-03-03 23:05:18 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Old pieces of... rubbish ??


doodads, geegaws, doohickeys, thingmajigs, made by "Earthmen", I assume is what they meant.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2015-03-04 00:23:45 UTC
Well....

Um. I'm going by a bunch of ... old, unconfirmed data I have no idea how I picked up, but ...

We're all descended from the Ancients; that much is pretty plain. The Ancients didn't come from different species; we're all from one original homeworld. Genetic similarities, compatibility across bloodlines, and such.

Supposedly the Ancients arrived here through the Eve Gate. So ... if that's true ... we did come here from somewhere. If we originated here, we haven't found the world we evolved on.

We call our star cluster "New Eden." Since we don't know of an "Eden," perhaps "Eden" is where we evolved?

Unless "new" meant something else to the Ancients....
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2015-03-04 09:16:41 UTC
That is one of the three standard theories on the matter, I think, Ms Jenneth. The Amarrian one.

Valerie Valate wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Old pieces of... rubbish ??


doodads, geegaws, doohickeys, thingmajigs, made by "Earthmen", I assume is what they meant.


But those are not... rubbish ! Those are archaeological evidences...
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-03-04 09:41:27 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
That is one of the three standard theories on the matter, I think, Ms Jenneth. The Amarrian one.

Valerie Valate wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Old pieces of... rubbish ??


doodads, geegaws, doohickeys, thingmajigs, made by "Earthmen", I assume is what they meant.


But those are not... rubbish ! Those are archaeological evidences...


Curios then.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#9 - 2015-03-04 09:55:41 UTC
I, for one, welcome our new earthian overlords.
Jade Blackwind
#10 - 2015-03-04 10:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
I had a Terran artifact once. It looked not unlike a metal coffee mug. A really old coffee mug that spent quite some time in outer space, but still a mug. It even had some sort of... appendage. Like, a handle.

But then my ship got explodificated and the Terran mug returned to space for some future archaeologist to find.

hehe
Aerinbiorn Haubogi
Burning Equilibrium
#11 - 2015-03-04 19:24:25 UTC
We have zero evidence of a so-called Earth, or Terra, or what have you. The Amarr higher-ups and some aristocrats probably do indeed have ancient artifacts of an archaeologically important nature, that's true. But are these from a magical mystical world only a few crackpots on the fringes of society believe exists? I seriously doubt that. More than likely we evolved somewhere here in the cluster. Keep your whackadoodle ideas on the GalNet conspiracy sites where they belong, and let the real archaeologists do their jobs.

Doctor Aerinbiorn Haubogi, MA in Tribal Studies, PhD Archaeology - Pator Tech

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-03-05 15:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Rictor Thellere wrote:
Ha!, only if the Amarr agree to stop using slave labor for the research crews!

Earth? terrible name for a planet , may as well call it Dirt.. planet Dirt...


Some translations of the word read "Place of Growth" or "Foundation". Either one seems entirely appropriate to me.

Quote:
I thought we were long past such superstitious nonsense?


Aerinbiorn Haubogi wrote:
We have zero evidence of a so-called Earth, or Terra, or what have you. The Amarr higher-ups and some aristocrats probably do indeed have ancient artifacts of an archaeologically important nature, that's true. But are these from a magical mystical world only a few crackpots on the fringes of society believe exists? I seriously doubt that. More than likely we evolved somewhere here in the cluster. Keep your whackadoodle ideas on the GalNet conspiracy sites where they belong, and let the real archaeologists do their jobs.


That humans shared an ancestral homeworld is not in credible dispute. No, I don't give a frak about the "mold theory" crowd, you have to ignore a mountain of research into mitochondrial DNA, cladistics and xenobiology to join that particular club.

We're all the same species - we share genetic markers, mitochondria, biochemistry and even incredibly fine details that point to a shared ancestry. We Are The Same Species. And that species must have originally evolved on a single home planet. Everything about us points to that fact, and the experimental equipment to prove it can be purchased in any electronics outlet or... hell, even a FedMart.

Was that homeworld called "Earth"? Did it exist on the far side of a wormhole that collapsed into the Point Genesis Anomaly?

Possibly. In the end, those are just details, but it's a fact that we have shared ancestors who at one time all lived on a single planet. May as well go with the myths and call that planet "Earth", I reckon.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Aerinbiorn Haubogi
Burning Equilibrium
#13 - 2015-03-05 18:18:48 UTC
Quote:
That humans shared an ancestral homeworld is not in credible dispute. No, I don't give a frak about the "mold theory" crowd, you have to ignore a mountain of research into mitochondrial DNA, cladistics and xenobiology to join that particular club.

We're all the same species - we share genetic markers, mitochondria, biochemistry and even incredibly fine details that point to a shared ancestry. We Are The Same Species. And that species must have originally evolved on a single home planet. Everything about us points to that fact, and the experimental equipment to prove it can be purchased in any electronics outlet or... hell, even a FedMart.

Was that homeworld called "Earth"? Did it exist on the far side of a wormhole that collapsed into the Point Genesis Anomaly?

Possibly. In the end, those are just details, but it's a fact that we have shared ancestors who at one time all lived on a single planet. May as well go with the myths and call that planet "Earth", I reckon.


If you read my response, you would see that I never said that we did not evolve on a single planet. I merely stated that we have no evidence of a so-called "Earth," and zero evidence of us evolving on a world on the other side of the EVE gate.

Doctor Aerinbiorn Haubogi, MA in Tribal Studies, PhD Archaeology - Pator Tech

Jade Blackwind
#14 - 2015-03-05 18:34:42 UTC
So far, we have zero evidence of us evolving within the cluster, as well. There are no suitable evoluitionary links discovered - and scientifically reported - on all the temperate planets in New Eden.

But our galaxy is so much bigger than the puny 5000-star cluster which is, like, 200 light years across? The wormhole chains just opened to an entire new region of unexplored systems. There are more beyond.

Out there, somewhere, is the place where our species came to be. Who cares if you call it "Earth", "Terra", or by whatever else legendary name.

A home by any other name still is.

Hehe
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2015-03-06 00:53:41 UTC
I spontaneously created everything last Tuesday.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#16 - 2015-03-06 06:28:16 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I spontaneously created everything last Tuesday.


Well, you didn't do a good job of it now, did you ? What with that whole Nauplius and Diana Kim thing going on.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Sarasvazhi
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-03-06 07:17:42 UTC
Aerinbiorn Haubogi wrote:
If you read my response, you would see that I never said that we did not evolve on a single planet. I merely stated that we have no evidence of a so-called "Earth," and zero evidence of us evolving on a world on the other side of the EVE gate.


Do those asserting the origin of mankind is on this side of the EVE Gate believe the "Civilization of Common Ancestry" built that edifice? Or do "This Siders" believe the EVE Gate was constructed by an alien species, and is within the borders of the Amarr Empire by chance?
Able Citizen
Grimm Hounds
SONS of BANE
#18 - 2015-03-06 14:26:09 UTC
Issues of war and peace strike me as above and beyond science and research. The need to research and examine the past is indeed important for knowledge's sake, but suggesting that the need for research is an impetus to ignore the crimes against humanity that continue to be practiced by the zealots in Amarr is laughable.

Politically, President Roden would look the fool if he extended the hand of friendship to unevolved religious fanatics.

To the Earthologists: I applaud your efforts, but your overarching goals cannot countermand the need to defeat and humble the Amarrians.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-03-06 15:07:16 UTC
Aerinbiorn Haubogi wrote:
If you read my response, you would see that I never said that we did not evolve on a single planet. I merely stated that we have no evidence of a so-called "Earth," and zero evidence of us evolving on a world on the other side of the EVE gate.


While you're right that there's insufficient evidence to declare the legend accurate, there's enough circumstantial evidence in place to make it highly plausible.

Ancient stargate networks centered on that system, the fact that our biochemistry is demonstrably not native to any known planet in New Eden, the seperate existence of the exact same legend among isolated cultures dozens of lightyears apart?

It's not conclusive evidence, I grant you. But it's certainly enough that, as a betting man, I'd be quite happy putting my money on the Earth legends being essentially accurate.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-03-06 15:15:33 UTC
Roden may be the President of the Gallente Federation, but his powers as President does not extend to the entire cluster. He cannot dictate what the Amarr can or cannot do. Why send the petition to only him?

Assuming that all of this is true, which I doubt.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

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