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Jenshae Chiroptera
#21 - 2015-03-03 14:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Memphis Baas wrote:
And as far as the large alliances having control over the CSM, I was wondering why CCP doesn't reward more directly the people who create content for them and promote the game. ...
I like reading about Worm Hole battles, they are far more interesting than blob on blob. P
(I am in Null because it is less stressful and building up stations feels more long term).
Handing out seats like candy is like promoting people for being in your corp / alliance / coalition for a long time ... a really bad idea.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-03-03 15:10:15 UTC
I know what CSM stands for but I couldn't tell you exactly what it does or why I am voting for it.

Internet spaceship serious business that doesn't affect me kind of stuff I am sure =p
Jenshae Chiroptera
#23 - 2015-03-03 15:21:44 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
I know what CSM stands for but I couldn't tell you exactly what it does or why I am voting for it.
Internet spaceship serious business that doesn't affect me kind of stuff I am sure =p
Had a casual look and didn't find it but there was a podcast where a whole lot of the 3rd party sites around EVE got people together to discuss what CSM is.
Some of the people in "the know" weren't sure they knew. Blink

I think in reality. it all boils down to, "a group of players for CCP to talk with and use, as they see fit or ignore."

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2015-03-03 19:17:06 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The OP (knowing his chances of being elected are next to non-existent)
... the 'silent majority' argument ...
To OP seems to believe that being elected to the CSM means CCP has to do what he wants, ...
Ugh, you do love to prattle on and waste people's time reading what you have to say. Ugh

Right, so cutting to your main points:
1) I have no idea, apparently my coalition leader sent out mail with Core, Vaari and myself. I haven't seen it. Others have said their alliances are voting for me. Feedback is very erratic.
2) I have accomplished a great deal by simply running, people are talking about topics I care about. If there is a shift in mentality or not; at least I can say that I made the effort.
3) Do you even play EVE? Have you travelled around Low Sec or through Null? Goons can get most of their slate elected, have 2x Goons on the current CSM. That is obviously due to a lack of voting. 49K~ let us say 50 000 votes were the highest out of 500 000 active accounts, only 10% have ever voted at a time.
4) At best CSM might be used for feedback, in all likelihood from what I have been reading and hearing it is a group that is largely ignored and dragged out to be displayed for publicity reasons.

Why do I bother responding to Jenn aSide? There are other people reading the forums, lurkers who actually do think like him.


Nothing, and I mean nothing , proves my point better than delusional and incoherent blathering.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-03-03 19:22:11 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
I know what CSM stands for but I couldn't tell you exactly what it does or why I am voting for it.
Internet spaceship serious business that doesn't affect me kind of stuff I am sure =p
Had a casual look and didn't find it but there was a podcast where a whole lot of the 3rd party sites around EVE got people together to discuss what CSM is.
Some of the people in "the know" weren't sure they knew. Blink

I think in reality. it all boils down to, "a group of players for CCP to talk with and use, as they see fit or ignore."


Well... it has council in it, so you can listen to its input and then proceed to ignore it, if you think they're talking horeshit =p
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#26 - 2015-03-03 19:26:32 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
So, if they vote for some CSM members because they're now aware of the Tengu changes, do they have any guarantee that the CSM will be able to do anything to reverse the Tengu changes, as they want?

Because that's why the majority doesn't care. CSM does some stuff, but not that much.

And as far as the large alliances having control over the CSM, I was wondering why CCP doesn't reward more directly the people who create content for them and promote the game. For example, Brave Newbies is probably responsible for a lot of the renewed interest in this game that we're seeing; they came out of nowhere and accomplished something newsworthy. CCP should give them a guaranteed seat, or some official communication channel and listen to them. For a year at least.

Large alliances tend to actually fuel interest in this game. IMO, in lieu of guaranteed CSM seats, I'm ok with them being able to control the elections.


Brave Newbies can get a CSM elected, they and other large groups or content creators don't need help in the form of reserved seats. Hell, if you reserved a seat for everyone who actually contributed something to EVE the CSM would have 200,000 seats lol.

I don't worry about the 'big group'. The people who are always complaining about these groups and their electoral power or no different that the same powerless people in real life. The kinds of people are fly around in high sec mining and minding their own business are not the kinds who are ever going to give a damn about much of anything, if you change the game to negatively affect them they just quit anyways, because it's just a video game. This is not all high sec people, but that's a lt, high sec is casuals play ground.

The more 'serious business' player tend to either get out of high sec all together at least expanded away from it with alts. Those people already tend to gravitate towards organized groups because they themselves are organized thinkers.

People flying around thinking that there is some kind of injustice at play because Goons can get people on the csm and the unorganized "too selfish to cooperate with each other' rabble of high sec can't are actually right. But the injustice didn't start in this video game, it started in the video game players personal life long before they downloaded EVE, when they decided to be a victim of, well, everything.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#27 - 2015-03-03 19:54:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
So, if they vote for some CSM members because they're now aware of the Tengu changes, do they have any guarantee that the CSM will be able to do anything to reverse the Tengu changes, as they want?

Because that's why the majority doesn't care. CSM does some stuff, but not that much.

And as far as the large alliances having control over the CSM, I was wondering why CCP doesn't reward more directly the people who create content for them and promote the game. For example, Brave Newbies is probably responsible for a lot of the renewed interest in this game that we're seeing; they came out of nowhere and accomplished something newsworthy. CCP should give them a guaranteed seat, or some official communication channel and listen to them. For a year at least.

Large alliances tend to actually fuel interest in this game. IMO, in lieu of guaranteed CSM seats, I'm ok with them being able to control the elections.


Brave Newbies can get a CSM elected, they and other large groups or content creators don't need help in the form of reserved seats. Hell, if you reserved a seat for everyone who actually contributed something to EVE the CSM would have 200,000 seats lol.

I don't worry about the 'big group'. The people who are always complaining about these groups and their electoral power or no different that the same powerless people in real life. The kinds of people are fly around in high sec mining and minding their own business are not the kinds who are ever going to give a damn about much of anything, if you change the game to negatively affect them they just quit anyways, because it's just a video game. This is not all high sec people, but that's a lt, high sec is casuals play ground.

The more 'serious business' player tend to either get out of high sec all together at least expanded away from it with alts. Those people already tend to gravitate towards organized groups because they themselves are organized thinkers.

People flying around thinking that there is some kind of injustice at play because Goons can get people on the csm and the unorganized "too selfish to cooperate with each other' rabble of high sec can't are actually right. But the injustice didn't start in this video game, it started in the video game players personal life long before they downloaded EVE, when they decided to be a victim of, well, everything.
You say there is no silent majority then you go on about how they are there but are, "unorganized too selfish to cooperate with each other rabble".

How many versions of EVE and reality do you have in that fragmented mind? So, back at you:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nothing, and I mean nothing , proves my point better than delusional and incoherent blathering.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2015-03-03 20:02:40 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
You say there is no silent majority then you go on about how they are there but are, "unorganized too selfish to cooperate with each other rabble".


Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?

It's funny, you don't seem to know what words mean and you have a habit of posting things like the above (which prove that you don't know) then you get mad at the people demonstrating to you that you are off base... as if your internal problem is caused by some external factor.

If ever there should be a person on the csm who represents the cracked and delusional way high sec zealots/carebears/victims think, it would be you lol.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#29 - 2015-03-03 20:04:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2015-03-03 20:10:06 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.


Yea, lying to yourself.

See, what you would post is CHARACTER population figures because that's all CCP has ever given. No accounting for who is an alt. The whole "the majority plays in high sec" think some people have clung to for years is a lie, you don't know what proportion of players are high sec only (or null only, or PVE only etc etc).
Jenshae Chiroptera
#31 - 2015-03-03 21:53:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.


Yea, lying to yourself.

See, what you would post is CHARACTER population figures because that's all CCP has ever given. No accounting for who is an alt. The whole "the majority plays in high sec" think some people have clung to for years is a lie, you don't know what proportion of players are high sec only (or null only, or PVE only etc etc).

That is simple. If someone has four alts, one in a worm hole, one in null sec and two in high sec then they need two in high sec to be entertained.
So, High Sec is twice the value to them as Null Sec.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-03-03 21:57:46 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.


Yea, lying to yourself.

See, what you would post is CHARACTER population figures because that's all CCP has ever given. No accounting for who is an alt. The whole "the majority plays in high sec" think some people have clung to for years is a lie, you don't know what proportion of players are high sec only (or null only, or PVE only etc etc).

And you have these mysterious stats yourself?

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-03-03 22:04:08 UTC
So if I vote for the OP will the CSM be engaged in circular arguments with little factual foundation and a dash of condescension thrown in?
Marsha Mallow
#34 - 2015-03-03 22:04:26 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
That is simple. If someone has four alts, one in a worm hole, one in null sec and two in high sec then they need two in high sec to be entertained.
So, High Sec is twice the value to them as Null Sec.

The more you post, the more votes you lose. Seriously.

I have 8-14 static accounts. The most alts I've ever had active in null or low is 5. 20-30+ alts were sat in highsec running one of the largest carebear alliances (which I completely ignored as much as possible). I'm pretty sure I can kick your 'rabid carebear' arse, and so can a hell of a lot of pvpers with alt armies. I hated the necessity of having to run my indy operations there, and I hate highsec. The fact that people in null still have to maintain alts in highsec because the risk-reward balance is screwed is a disgrace, and they're not going to stop ganking scrubs until it's fixed.

Maybe instead of flying into random highsec systems and begging for votes you should start making constructive remarks that will gain you support on whatever platform you stand on. Right now, I'm less than impressed.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-03-03 22:11:32 UTC
You gank people in highsec because they make more money than you do in 0.0?

That's probably one of the more interesting reasons I heard for doing it. Everyone else just seems to do it cause they're bored.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2015-03-03 22:15:39 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.


Yea, lying to yourself.

See, what you would post is CHARACTER population figures because that's all CCP has ever given. No accounting for who is an alt. The whole "the majority plays in high sec" think some people have clung to for years is a lie, you don't know what proportion of players are high sec only (or null only, or PVE only etc etc).

And you have these mysterious stats yourself?


Notice how you asked me that question and not the actual person who made the actual claim lol. What I'm saying is that no one knows (but the idea of a 'high sec majority' is questionable given the fact that people have alts).
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#37 - 2015-03-03 22:16:56 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Since when is 'majority' a synonym of 'rabble'? At one point did my description of how high sec players are translate into "they are the majority"?
Go and find your own player population stats for EVE.
If I list them you will say I am lying.


Yea, lying to yourself.

See, what you would post is CHARACTER population figures because that's all CCP has ever given. No accounting for who is an alt. The whole "the majority plays in high sec" think some people have clung to for years is a lie, you don't know what proportion of players are high sec only (or null only, or PVE only etc etc).

That is simple. If someone has four alts, one in a worm hole, one in null sec and two in high sec then they need two in high sec to be entertained.
So, High Sec is twice the value to them as Null Sec.


While that's probably a lame attempt to be funny, you know the actual truth even when you can't admit it. If a person has half their characters in high sec it's not a matter of entertainment, but of imbalance.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#38 - 2015-03-03 22:20:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
While that's probably a lame attempt to be funny, you know the actual truth even when you can't admit it. If a person has half their characters in high sec it's not a matter of entertainment, but of imbalance.
*Pats knee* Hop on up and tell me where the imbalance hurt you and what it looks like. P

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2015-03-03 22:23:34 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
While that's probably a lame attempt to be funny, you know the actual truth even when you can't admit it. If a person has half their characters in high sec it's not a matter of entertainment, but of imbalance.
*Pats knee* Hop on up and tell me where the imbalance hurt you and what it looks like. P



And that is exactly the sort of interaction we want the CSM having with "regular" players
Jenshae Chiroptera
#40 - 2015-03-03 22:26:52 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
While that's probably a lame attempt to be funny, you know the actual truth even when you can't admit it. If a person has half their characters in high sec it's not a matter of entertainment, but of imbalance.
*Pats knee* Hop on up and tell me where the imbalance hurt you and what it looks like. P
And that is exactly the sort of interaction we want the CSM having with "regular" players
+1
I do read and do listen. I just do a bit .... wouldn't call it role-play but forum / text play, while I am at it.

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.