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Sojourn: The Amarr

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Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-03-03 03:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Sariah
All things considered, you are by far the only Sani Sabik that has showed having a educated brain i have come across thus far, and i mean that as a complement, but despite what you think, your kind, the Sani Sabik turned on your former brothers and sisters, both sides have paid for this, my family included..

Atrocities against your faith? Might i add that your faith started as a subverted version of ours, which your people twisted to your own, that is just 1 atrocity against us, your people threw the first stone as it were. And i have checked what i can about your record, DED keeps detailed records thankfully, you were noble once, though i do not know how much of that nobility followed your decent.

And more then ink on a page to the faithful, my personal slave served me for 38 years, even when your people butchered my family, he took me to safety and helped raise me, i made sure he got the same benefits i did when i could, he even joined me when i joined the Amarr Navy as a marine, and he never stop protecting me, and last year, since the holder of him was my uncle, a man your people murdered, i freed him, you know what he did? I'll give you a clue, he is still my best friend, in fact, he is visiting his family this month i believe, whom i also help, there are freed slaves that are loyal to the Amarr, i know several, you need to stop thinking about the past, yes, there are always those who do not follow the rules, but i ask you to show me one group or civilization that does not have the same plight, and decline? Hardly, and Drifters confuse us all Albizu Zateki (Please know i do not know what form of title a Sani Sabik uses so please know if i could use it, i would, I actually believe in showing respect where it should be shown, even among enemies) unless you are about to tell me you know information about them that has not already been shared? No.. I did not think so.. And you may think you bleed us dry, but His warriors outnumber you hundreds to 1, but honestly, bleed us dry? If you want a number of how many times i have personally stopped your kind attacking civilians and innocents, and how many i have put to the touch, i will happily give it, i would not be against your people if you simply left us alone, i may be alone in that sentiment, but i mean that.. To bad that path has been passed..

Vitoc is not a wonderful thing, do not say as such.. Thankfully i came into a large shipment of the antidote when i became available, Vitoc is a remnant from the past.. And unfortunately will be stuck for a long time to come.. Nothing can change that..

I think you misunderstood, i didn't mean you have no right because of the reasons i stated, i mean you have no right just as i have no right, we are not Gods, we are not leaders, we are Capsuleers, in my mind, that makes us an extension of His divine will, nothing more then a man who is braver and stronger then his fellows.. We have immortality, not divinity, our kind should not have a say in the empires, for it is us who defend them and those who do have a say.

And yes, for 2000 years you have hid and attacked innocents and people who could not defend themselves, you have become less then you once were.. Your people once had ideals and pride, now you are all nothing more then pirates, And no.. Not monsters, that would imply we are afraid of you, His warriors have no fear.

And yes, I apologize Ms. Jenneth also, i did not mean for this to happen, please accept my most sincere apologies. I believe it would be the right decision to end this argument here.. My His light guide you.

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#42 - 2015-03-03 04:21:32 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Civilizations are like flowers - Beautiful and unique at the top, yet progressively given to ugliness and indistinction the further you work your way down, with only experts able to tell them apart from any other once you get beneath the earth. Thinking about it rationally, the roots are what enable the flower to live (well, mostly), and likely deserving of the closest examination. Alas, people are, by nature, drawn to pretty and bold things. And also don't like getting dirt under their fingernails, if you understand my meaning.


Quite right. The splendor of the Amarrian nobility draws its sustenance from the toil not only of "alien" slaves, but also of billions of Amarrian commoners not born to a powerful family, slaves in all but name.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2015-03-03 04:23:38 UTC
Dutarro wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Civilizations are like flowers - Beautiful and unique at the top, yet progressively given to ugliness and indistinction the further you work your way down, with only experts able to tell them apart from any other once you get beneath the earth. Thinking about it rationally, the roots are what enable the flower to live (well, mostly), and likely deserving of the closest examination. Alas, people are, by nature, drawn to pretty and bold things. And also don't like getting dirt under their fingernails, if you understand my meaning.


Quite right. The splendor of the Amarrian nobility draws its sustenance from the toil not only of "alien" slaves, but also of billions of Amarrian commoners not born to a powerful family, slaves in all but name.


And one still wonders where the nullsec alliances, Anoikis entities and pirate/outlaw groups got all their baseliner voluntary members from.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2015-03-03 06:21:27 UTC
Focusing on the past? Oh, so your empress never called for a new reclaiming when she took power?

While you, pilot, may be a kinder, gentler Amarrian, most of your more conservative brethren are not. As I recall just a couple of years ago some high ranking member of House Sarum called for a pre-emptive strike on the Republic and a relaunching of the reclaiming. Soon thereafter a member of the Tash-Murkon family came out in support of a new reclaiming as well. I also recall another heir openly launching an attack on the Federation and getting his personal fleet taken away from him by order of your empress as a punishment.

Sorry pilot but two years ago is hardly ancient history.

As for trying to change your people, you're using some very tortured logic to make me out a hypocrite. I couldn't give a tinker's damn what you do as far as peaceful, uncoerced evangelism. Spread your message and worship your deity in any way you see fit. Just quit trying to force the rest of the cluster to accept your religion/culture/theology at gunpoint and we can all coexist peacefully.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#45 - 2015-03-03 06:31:46 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Ms. Rella, that sounds like you want to say that the State and the Federation aren't cultures? After all they do see the Amarr Empire as more than just "conquerors to be resisted at all costs and by any means necessary."


You have trading partners who are wary of you, that's all. Trading partners. Business relationships. Not friends. Had you invaded their homes, kidnapped and murdered them by the millions, attempted to wipe out all traces of their customs, history and civilizations and held their people captive for a thousand years I suspect they'd have a very different opinion of you.

Also, are you claiming that your people have renounced the reclaiming and that we no longer have anything to fear from you? If so you might want to let your empress, her family, the Kadors and Tash-Murkons in on that news as they don't seem to have gotten the memo.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#46 - 2015-03-03 07:30:34 UTC
Well you have to start somewhere. Trade has a positive impact on relationships, often building or creating friendships and trust over time. It's really not a bad thing.

-Eran
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#47 - 2015-03-03 07:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
As to the quite grim view on civilisations that is held by Ms. Ikiryo, it seems obvious to me that she quite mistaken. If one alone takes the metaphor she uses, this becomes quite clear. Flowers aren't rooted in what she describes dismissively as 'dirt', but in fertile soil. Every piece of a flower, from the blossom to the roots, is a masterwork, a well-composed hymn. And they are quite distinct in the way they are rooted in the soil that is fertile for them.

As someone who does gardening (yes, I dig in the soil with my own hands, if time allows) this metaphor can only explained to me by assuming that you, Ms. Ikiryo, have grown up in the sterile environment of a space station. Maybe you should take a few months off, get on a planetside farm and get your hands into the 'dirt' to get a feeling that it isn't, really, but soil, fertile and life-giving. Maybe it also helps with your depressed look on human civilisation, too.


I do not care for your tone, Ms Mithra. I feel like you're still trying to pick a fight with me after you were quite unapologetically rude in the last thread.

You have taken my analogy and twisted it around to serve your own point while ignoring what I was actually trying to say. Simply redefining something I gave a negative connotation with a positive one doesn't change the underlying thing that I was suggesting: That every society has it's unpleasantness, which is equally, possibly more important to understanding it then the good parts - Paticularly the old and romantic, which by nature only comprise a tiny percentage - and that you're more likely to see a mixture of both by picking a random spot within it's borders then by visiting a capital city that is both it's center of wealth, and also in many senses made to be very unnaturally accomodating for foreign visitors.

I wasn't , as you seem to think, implying that every one of it's millions of backwater territories in the Empire is wretched, just that they are much more likely to give a realistic impression of the society at a grassroots level. Both good and ill. Unless you are telling me the Empire is an ideal society, with no poverty? No inefficiency? No injustice to speak of? Please understand that I'm not trying help the original poster search for a way to judge the Empire. I'm trying to help them search for a way to understand it, which is quite a bit more important in my faith.

Furthrmore, I frankly have no idea where you got the idea from it that I grew up in a space station, or have some sort of hyper-cynical attitude toward civilization. I was born and have lived most of my life in the countryside, and so know a fair bit about plants, and I used that analogy precisely because I was trying to get across the very idea that you are accusing me of misunderstanding - That every part of the flower, not just the blossom, is extremely important and unique, and it is a tragedy when people appreciate nothing but it because they are uninterested, or simply lack the knowledge to understand the other distinctions. Even if it is superficially crude or indistinct; "Dirt".

I love getting dirt under my fingernails, because I find what's in the ground very exciting. I love discovering things that are not obvious. I'm passionate about civilization, and history.

Just not the sort of history that half the people in this thread seem to idolize.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2015-03-03 08:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Eran Mintor wrote:
Well you have to start somewhere. Trade has a positive impact on relationships, often building or creating friendships and trust over time. It's really not a bad thing.

-Eran


Trade relationships tend to result in a net gain in prosperity. The issue however is that trade is not just between materials but also between ideas. Ideas, especially novel ideas, are especially threatening to the societal status quo of particular civilizations.

There is a good reason why what started as a trade missions sometimes ended up resulting in war between civilizations. Do a little bit more digging in the history of the big 4 and we turn up many examples.

We can propose a hundred, a thousand, even a million valid and sound methods towards the greatest prosperity for the greatest amount of people but ultimately, human nature will see it all in vain.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#49 - 2015-03-03 08:20:25 UTC
Now, now, everyone. Do try to take a page from the new Ms. Jenneth's book and try to get along. This topic is supposed to stir cultural understanding, not get people uppity.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2015-03-03 10:53:52 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Please forgive me, Ms Mithra, but I think Ms Ikiryo specifically said that flower roots are distinguishable from each other mostly by experts... I believe this is true, at least from my own experience. I do not doubt that with a bit of work and knowledge, it becomes all clear - and please believe that I really like studying plants, but I am no expert in botanical matters, so to me, at first glance at least, it would be hard to tell.

If you give me a book talking about the matter, I should be able to correct that, of course.

But they are distinguishable even my untrained people. Most people can easily distinguish a radish from a carrot, even though they aren't that different. Throw in celeriac, beet root and liquorice and people will still be able to tell that it's different plants. Even if you look at a variety of plants that haven't been artificially selected for differing root patterns, for example different prarie-plants, even an untrained person will be able to see that these are different plant species, even though they evolved in the same biome.

Really, take a look at the linked pictures and tell me, with a straight face, that you don't see the difference between Silphium laciniatum, Stipa spartea and Baptisia leucantha. Even the difference between Sporobolus heterolepis and Boutelua curtipendula is discernable for the untrained eye if placed one next to the other. Also, these images lack a lot of detail the real plants have, be it root coloration, the surface structure et cetera.

Yes, there are cases where plant roots are hard to distinguish, but that's mainly the case when you have very close relatives and then it's oftentimes true for the above-soil parts of the plants as well. It's not because roots are similar and hard to distinguish, but because close relatives are hard to distinguish. Like, it's harder to distinguish two Amarr brothers than one of the brothers and a Caldari.


I.. think that we do not understand each other well...

I can perfectly tell the difference in shape - and maybe the difference in texture ? I do not know - but I do not know their taxonomic classification, I do not know their close relatives and their far cousins, I do not even know their names, except maybe for a tiny portion of the most famous, and even for those, that would be their vulgar name and not their scientific name...

I am pretty sure that one will be able to see that there is at least a visual difference between a gallente Omega city and an amarrian slave district, but I doubt that the untrained eye will be able to tell what is different between one of the latter in Dam Tosard and one in a Mekhios.

But, if I understood correctly the initial point, I believe it was to tell that the basic human condition remains rather universal, no matter where one looks.

Anabella Rella wrote:
Focusing on the past? Oh, so your empress never called for a new reclaiming when she took power?

While you, pilot, may be a kinder, gentler Amarrian, most of your more conservative brethren are not. As I recall just a couple of years ago some high ranking member of House Sarum called for a pre-emptive strike on the Republic and a relaunching of the reclaiming. Soon thereafter a member of the Tash-Murkon family came out in support of a new reclaiming as well. I also recall another heir openly launching an attack on the Federation and getting his personal fleet taken away from him by order of your empress as a punishment.

Sorry pilot but two years ago is hardly ancient history.

As for trying to change your people, you're using some very tortured logic to make me out a hypocrite. I couldn't give a tinker's damn what you do as far as peaceful, uncoerced evangelism. Spread your message and worship your deity in any way you see fit. Just quit trying to force the rest of the cluster to accept your religion/culture/theology at gunpoint and we can all coexist peacefully.


I hear that you have the same kind of reactionaries in the Republic ?

The difference with the Amarr Empire is that the reactionnaries in there are still being held in check in favor of sticking to Yulai treaties... Fortunately ?

Well, not really, since the Kador heir's attack on Solitude. The current trends in interstellar politics seems to be in the violation of treaties and subreptitious attacks of major scale on their neighbors...
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#51 - 2015-03-03 10:58:46 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
But, if I understood correctly the initial point, I believe it was to tell that the basic human condition remains rather universal, no matter where one looks.


Thank you, miss Farel; That was more or less what I meant.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2015-03-03 10:59:17 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Ms. Rella, that sounds like you want to say that the State and the Federation aren't cultures? After all they do see the Amarr Empire as more than just "conquerors to be resisted at all costs and by any means necessary."


You have trading partners who are wary of you, that's all. Trading partners. Business relationships. Not friends. Had you invaded their homes, kidnapped and murdered them by the millions, attempted to wipe out all traces of their customs, history and civilizations and held their people captive for a thousand years I suspect they'd have a very different opinion of you.

Also, are you claiming that your people have renounced the reclaiming and that we no longer have anything to fear from you? If so you might want to let your empress, her family, the Kadors and Tash-Murkons in on that news as they don't seem to have gotten the memo.


Everyone is wary of the Minmatar too. I really uh... fail to understand the point you are trying to make. Especially in current times, everyone is wary of everyone else. The Federation is wary of the Republic, Some Caldari are wary of the Amarr, Caldari and Gallente are wary of each other and that is not new, as well as the Republic and the Amarr Empire...

For the Reclaiming, it seems to have been going on for a long time, and still continues, albeit it is often called as New Reclaiming by liberal Houses. It is rather similar to the cultural imperialism found with the Federation...
Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#53 - 2015-03-03 11:26:04 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Focusing on the past? Oh, so your empress never called for a new reclaiming when she took power?

While you, pilot, may be a kinder, gentler Amarrian, most of your more conservative brethren are not. As I recall just a couple of years ago some high ranking member of House Sarum called for a pre-emptive strike on the Republic and a relaunching of the reclaiming. Soon thereafter a member of the Tash-Murkon family came out in support of a new reclaiming as well. I also recall another heir openly launching an attack on the Federation and getting his personal fleet taken away from him by order of your empress as a punishment.

Sorry pilot but two years ago is hardly ancient history.

As for trying to change your people, you're using some very tortured logic to make me out a hypocrite. I couldn't give a tinker's damn what you do as far as peaceful, uncoerced evangelism. Spread your message and worship your deity in any way you see fit. Just quit trying to force the rest of the cluster to accept your religion/culture/theology at gunpoint and we can all coexist peacefully.


There are the good and bad in every group, I guess that changes based on who is looking.. And yes, The Sarum's have called for that, as they believed the Republic was going to attempt another attack, this has been going on since the rebellion as it is labeled, one thing you may not know, is that the Reclaiming is to reclaim what we used to own, in a way, it is no different from the Caldari wanting there homeworld back, except instead of one world, we lost several, i do not know the exact number, and yes? He disobeyed an order from our Empress.. I am sure if one of your own did the same your leaders would remove his assets, we did not own anything in Federation space of note, ever i believe, unless i am mistaken.. So we do not need to Reclaim it in His name.. I do not know if that makes sense to you..

And apologies, that was not meant to be making you out as a hypocrite, just pointing out something, you can not change someone while telling them changing people is wrong.. That is all, and we do not force it on the cluster, please stop saying this, I have never forced my beliefs at my Caldari friends, nor any other people i have meet, i know very few Amarrians who do, we hold none at gunpoint, unless you are referring to those still under the effect of Vitoc, then you would know that not all people live through the immunisation.. Which is unfortunate, but killing them is hardly better then leaving them in their state and working in Gods eyes..

While we may not see eye to eye on this, and while you may think otherwise, I have not attempted to turn you to the faith, and i have not tried to tear your people down based of the history of them, so I ask, please do not do so in an open forum.. When you do, you are only hurting the future, not all are the same, i hope i can prove that too you,

Please accept my apologies for any insult you felt i caused,

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#54 - 2015-03-03 11:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Lyn Farel wrote:
For the Reclaiming, it seems to have been going on for a long time, and still continues, albeit it is often called as New Reclaiming by liberal Houses. It is rather similar to the cultural imperialism found with the Federation...


That term has always been a ridiculous bastardization that liberal houses have used to try and demonize conservatives by forcing a division where there is none. They've tried to identify non-violent methods solely with liberal families and violent ones with conservatives. But what the Reclaiming is, is the active effort to bring the universe closer to God and Heaven. Every method of doing so, from laser, to scripture, to introspection, to preaching, or to diplomacy, have all been part of the process since time immemorial. Even on Amarr, before many of today's liberal houses even existed, we Reclaimed through both force of arms and force of words.

There's no such thing as Old Reclaiming and New Reclaiming. There is just the Reclaiming, and it has never stopped nor will it ever. We use word when we can, and laser when we must. That's the stance of House Ardishapur and no one would mistake us for liberals.

Eli Sariah wrote:
we did not own anything in Federation space of note, ever i believe, unless i am mistaken.. So we do not need to Reclaim it in His name.. I do not know if that makes sense to you..


Now this is an improper belief.

All of creation is the domain of God, and it is our mandate to Reclaim all of it. Temporal claims are irrelevent to that.

Everything we do and say must be made with this understanding, and we must be honest about that and make no apologies for it. So to Ms. Jenneth I will say (and to try to bring this back to the original post), yes we are trying to Reclaim you. But this won't be by whip and shackle, not so long as you are our guest and ally. It will be by word and deed and spirit. Whether or not we will succeed will depend on whether our words and deeds and spirit resonates with your soul.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2015-03-03 12:01:56 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
For the Reclaiming, it seems to have been going on for a long time, and still continues, albeit it is often called as New Reclaiming by liberal Houses. It is rather similar to the cultural imperialism found with the Federation...


That term has always been a ridiculous bastardization that liberal houses have used to try and demonize conservatives by forcing a division where there is none. They've tried to identify non-violent methods solely with liberal families and violent ones with conservatives. But what the Reclaiming is, is the active effort to bring the universe closer to God and Heaven. Every method of doing so, from laser, to scripture, to introspection, to preaching, or to diplomacy, have all been part of the process since time immemorial. Even on Amarr, before many of today's liberal houses even existed, we Reclaimed through both force of arms and force of words.

There's no such thing as Old Reclaiming and New Reclaiming. There is just the Reclaiming, and it has never stopped nor will it ever. We use word when we can, and laser when we must. That's the stance of House Ardishapur and no one would mistake us for liberals.


If you say so.
Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-03-03 13:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Sariah
Samira Kernher wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
For the Reclaiming, it seems to have been going on for a long time, and still continues, albeit it is often called as New Reclaiming by liberal Houses. It is rather similar to the cultural imperialism found with the Federation...


That term has always been a ridiculous bastardization that liberal houses have used to try and demonize conservatives by forcing a division where there is none. They've tried to identify non-violent methods solely with liberal families and violent ones with conservatives. But what the Reclaiming is, is the active effort to bring the universe closer to God and Heaven. Every method of doing so, from laser, to scripture, to introspection, to preaching, or to diplomacy, have all been part of the process since time immemorial. Even on Amarr, before many of today's liberal houses even existed, we Reclaimed through both force of arms and force of words.

There's no such thing as Old Reclaiming and New Reclaiming. There is just the Reclaiming, and it has never stopped nor will it ever. We use word when we can, and laser when we must. That's the stance of House Ardishapur and no one would mistake us for liberals.

Eli Sariah wrote:
we did not own anything in Federation space of note, ever i believe, unless i am mistaken.. So we do not need to Reclaim it in His name.. I do not know if that makes sense to you..


Now this is an improper belief.

All of creation is the domain of God, and it is our mandate to Reclaim all of it. Temporal claims are irrelevent to that.

Everything we do and say must be made with this understanding, and we must be honest about that and make no apologies for it. So to Ms. Jenneth I will say (and to try to bring this back to the original post), yes we are trying to Reclaim you. But this won't be by whip and shackle, not so long as you are our guest and ally. It will be by word and deed and spirit. Whether or not we will succeed will depend on whether our words and deeds and spirit resonates with your soul.


Forgive me, I meant that in a purely aggressive means, indeed all we know belongs to Him and Him alone, but my statement was focused on explaining the difference between our fighting the Republic for what was once ours, and for rebelling, and the Gallente, nothing more, apologies for the misunderstanding.

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2015-03-03 14:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Albizu Zateki wrote:
I have 2000 years of history of atrocities against my faith that continues to this very day.

If your faith would continue to this day, you wouldn't have turned to heresy.

Albizu Zateki wrote:
Remember this. You time has come and your time has fled. For 2000 years we have hid in the darkness. For 2000 years we have had to become smarter, tougher, more powerful and more ruthless than you just to survive. You call us monsters? We are what the likes of you made us. We hide in the black no longer.

Yes, you do still hide. A few of you don't - especially those protected by CONCORD as capsuleers. But the majority of Sani Sabik cower in the dark just as they always did and will untill they are wiped out. And arguably, those protected by CONCORD hide behind it as well.That aside: How weak must one be to blame others for what one does and is. Learn taking responsibility for yourself.

Albizu Zateki wrote:
Again, Ms. Jenneth. I apologize. It is graceless to hijack your thread like this. In the past, it was enough to slink away to be safe and keep our devotions secret. We don't have to any longer and the words of this...individual needed to be addressed. May God bless you and keep you safe from all harm in the dark places you may travel.

What a hollow apology, one where you previously did just what you apologize for and afterwards try to justify it. If you really want to seriously apologize, do so by stopping to derail this thread any further.
Sarasvazhi
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-03-03 17:32:14 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Lies are fragile as cobwebs, easy to damage, and, when damaged, unravel distressingly fast. When that starts happening, the only way to shore them up is with more trickery. Even if it works, the most you've done is lay illusion over what is usually a frustratingly persistent reality.


Smalls lies blow like dust. Great untruths bake into donjun bricks. Leviathan deceits found empires.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#59 - 2015-03-03 18:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Ok, I'll apologize up front for this further derailment of Pilot Jenneth's journey to understand the slaver mind/culture but, I can't just let some of these comments pass uncontested.
Eli Sariah wrote:

...one thing you may not know, is that the Reclaiming is to reclaim what we used to own, in a way, it is no different from the Caldari wanting there homeworld back, except instead of one world, we lost several...

Pilot Sariah, are you honestly trying to say that the Amarr owned the Minmatar people and territory and that you continue fighting us to get back what's rightfully your property? And further, to compare your "reclaiming" with the efforts of the Caldari to regain control of their homeworld? Gods and spirits man, are you serious? Your people hail from Athra. Your people never lived on Matar nor had any legitimate claim to it. Your people invaded us. Your people occupied and subjugated us for a thousand years while systematically attempting to wipe out our culture and history. That's a far cry from the Caldari/Gallente conflict over Caldari Prime, pilot. The two cases aren't even in the same universe.

You also insist on stating that the "reclaiming" is ancient history although I showed you that isn't the case and even your own people disagree with you:
Samira Kernher wrote:

But what the Reclaiming is, is the active effort to bring the universe closer to God and Heaven. Every method of doing so, from laser, to scripture, to introspection, to preaching, or to diplomacy, have all been part of the process since time immemorial. Even on Amarr, before many of today's liberal houses even existed, we Reclaimed through both force of arms and force of words.

There's no such thing as Old Reclaiming and New Reclaiming. There is just the Reclaiming, and it has never stopped nor will it ever. We use word when we can, and laser when we must. That's the stance of House Ardishapur and no one would mistake us for liberals.

Pilot Sariah I don't know you nor am I attempting to pick a fight with you. I'm not accusing you personally of forceful conversion, genocide or cultural imperialism. You seem like a decent enough person, one who truly wishes for peace in New Eden (albeit on the terms of your empire's choosing). I'm merely asking you to own up to your people's "reclaiming" and call it what it is; an ongoing campaign of aggression to forcefully subjugate the rest of humanity and one that's practiced and embraced by everyone from your rulers down to rank and file citizens like Pilot Kernher.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2015-03-03 19:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Ms. Rella,

you seem to be willfully ignorant. If you read carefully, Lt. Kernher and Cpt. Sariah basically say the same thing: The Recaliming, as you paint it with your by far to broad brush soaked in black ink, is a thing of the past. It's just that Lt. Kernher points out that your use of the word is not reflecting the native use of it, while Cpt. Sariah didn't try to discuss semantics with you.