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Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#1 - 2011-12-21 20:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolodymyr
Recently CCP added some new default overview settings (default pvp, default mining, etc). These are a great idea BUT there are two big fixes that need to happen and would take CCP 10 minutes to do.

The default pvp overview

Fleet members, corp members, alliance members, militia members, and blues in general should not show up on the overview. Basically people you shouldn't be shooting at should not be showing up.

Also add a logi channel for the people who do need friendlies showing up.

Every other overview

The flashy red of aggression and off yellow of negative sec status need to have a lower priority than fleet, corp, alliance, militia, good standing. I can't count the amount of times someone with a poorly set up overview has shot a friendly because they got aggression.


I am sure you guys can come up with some more default overview fixes, but these are the two that really annoy me.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-21 21:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Wolodymyr wrote:
Recently CCP added some new default overview settings (default pvp, default mining, etc). These are a great idea BUT there are two big fixes that need to happen and would take CCP 10 minutes to do.

The default pvp overview

Fleet members, corp members, alliance members, militia members, and blues in general should not show up on the overview. Basically people you shouldn't be shooting at should not be showing up.

Every other overview

The flashy red of aggression and off yellow of negative sec status need to have a lower priority than fleet, corp, alliance, militia, good standing. I can't count the amount of times someone with a poorly set up overview has shot a friendly because they got aggression.


I am sure you guys can come up with some more default overview fixes, but these are the two that really annoy me.


Not supporting.

You presume that your style of PVP overivew is the same as everyone else.

What about logistic pilots? what about scouts? etc...etc..etc..

Everyone has a different way of doing things...instead of a new set of defaults or a fix...there should bea tutorial on adjusting overivew settings as part of the NPE if you will.

I could be spitballing a little bit here...but everyone has there tastes for various areas of expertise and needs.

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Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#3 - 2011-12-21 21:36:49 UTC
people flying logi and people just shooting at enemies will always have a different overview anyway.

Just make a default logi and default everybody else in pvp overview.

Also when would you ever want an overview that would make friendlies flashy red every once in a while because of some aggression mechnic.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-21 21:38:56 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
people flying logi and people just shooting at enemies will always have a different overview anyway.

Just make a default logi and default everybody else in pvp overview.

Also when would you ever want an overview that would make friendlies flashy red every once in a while because of some aggression mechnic.


When would anyone versed in PVP not know how to set up his overview or at least be tuaght as such?

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Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#5 - 2011-12-21 23:02:11 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
When would anyone versed in PVP not know how to set up his overview or at least be tuaght as such?

Well following that line of reasoning, why have default overview settings at all?

It's for convenience sake. It's so every FC doesn't need to worry that he'll have one dude with screwy overview settings. It's so you don't have to fiddle with your settings as much when you set up eve. It's so when you try to get people to join the game you don't need to walk them through setting up their overview to not shoot at blues every single time someone starts playing eve.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2011-12-21 23:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Wolodymyr wrote:
Fleet members, corp members, alliance members, militia members, and blues in general should not show up on the overview. Basically people you shouldn't be shooting at should not be showing up.


Logistics.

edit: Also, I find it useful to see who is on the field in a small gang engagement.

Not all of us are lemmings incapable of properly choosing targets on a mixed overview. I like the PVP overview the way it is.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#7 - 2011-12-21 23:07:54 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Logistics..

Wolodymyr wrote:
people flying logi and people just shooting at enemies will always have a different overview anyway.

Just make a default logi and default everybody else in pvp overview.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-21 23:32:44 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
When would anyone versed in PVP not know how to set up his overview or at least be tuaght as such?

Well following that line of reasoning, why have default overview settings at all?

It's for convenience sake. It's so every FC doesn't need to worry that he'll have one dude with screwy overview settings. It's so you don't have to fiddle with your settings as much when you set up eve. It's so when you try to get people to join the game you don't need to walk them through setting up their overview to not shoot at blues every single time someone starts playing eve.


Drake Draconis wrote:
Everyone has a different way of doing things...instead of a new set of defaults or a fix...there should bea tutorial on adjusting overivew settings as part of the NPE if you will.


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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2011-12-21 23:39:36 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
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See my edit.

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Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#10 - 2011-12-22 02:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolodymyr
Drake Draconis wrote:
Everyone has a different way of doing things...instead of a new set of defaults or a fix...there should bea tutorial on adjusting overivew settings as part of the NPE if you will.

Yeah because that's what new players need, another layer of tutorials between them and the gameplay.


I also like how the dude getting on an alt and clicking "Like" on himself shows up as two likes attached to this thread.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2011-12-22 14:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Wolodymyr wrote:
Yeah because that's what new players need, another layer of tutorials between them and the gameplay.

The whole tutorial system needs a major refresh. People are coming out of Eve tutorials having had introductions to the basic PVE activities in the game but with no understanding at all how the basic PVP mechanics work.

Wolodymyr wrote:
I also like how the dude getting on an alt and clicking "Like" on himself shows up as two likes attached to this thread.

I assume you're talking about me, since I'm the only dude here with likes besides you. Don't be petty and accuse people of stuff you can't prove. I know who my likes came from, and they aren't from me.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.