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The end of Hybrid buff
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Cheshire Katt
Pyramid Celestial
#181 - 2011-12-22 14:37:57 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:

This is why I consider them to be unbalanced, and not because I can only use one and not the other. In truth, I'm cross-skilled equally to fly Gallente and Minmatar, and to use T2 hybrids and T2 projectiles. I really have no personal preference whether I get popped in my AC 'Cane or my blaster Brutix (although I do hate missiles and Caldari... please nerf that **** Drake already!).


I just find it hard to believe anything from people who won't post with their mains so that people can see if they are being truthful or not. So, until you do post with your main, I won't take anything you say seriously, or any of your claims seriously. A lot of people feel that way. Alts are a way to hide truths when posting on forums.

Post with your main, be internet brave, it's not like it costs you anything. Except maybe your dignity if you aren't what you say your are. Of course, then i wouldn't expect you to post with your main. Just continue arguing on an alt that nobody can take seriously.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2011-12-22 14:40:37 UTC
Cheshire Katt wrote:
Sizeof Void wrote:

This is why I consider them to be unbalanced, and not because I can only use one and not the other. In truth, I'm cross-skilled equally to fly Gallente and Minmatar, and to use T2 hybrids and T2 projectiles. I really have no personal preference whether I get popped in my AC 'Cane or my blaster Brutix (although I do hate missiles and Caldari... please nerf that **** Drake already!).


I just find it hard to believe anything from people who won't post with their mains so that people can see if they are being truthful or not. So, until you do post with your main, I won't take anything you say seriously, or any of your claims seriously. A lot of people feel that way. Alts are a way to hide truths when posting on forums.

Post with your main, be internet brave, it's not like it costs you anything. Except maybe your dignity if you aren't what you say your are. Of course, then i wouldn't expect you to post with your main. Just continue arguing on an alt that nobody can take seriously.

why do you want to nerf poormatar?:O
Cheshire Katt
Pyramid Celestial
#183 - 2011-12-22 14:46:49 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:

why do you want to nerf poormatar?:O


Oh hai, it's Naomi Knight. Whore of Eve-O. Everyone gets her attention, and it's usually filthy and hard to scrub away!

Yah. that was a useless post for the sake of insulting. Considering who it was aimed towards though, I believe it was completely worth it. She reminds me of... oh what's his name... jojo or something that used to whore around all the Eve O threads wanting to nerf Gallente.
Dana Gilmour
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2011-12-22 15:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dana Gilmour
Cheshire Katt wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:

why do you want to nerf poormatar?:O


Oh hai, it's Naomi Knight. ***** of Eve-O. Everyone gets her attention, and it's usually filthy and hard to scrub away!

Yah. that was a useless post for the sake of insulting. Considering who it was aimed towards though, I believe it was completely worth it. She reminds me of... oh what's his name... jojo or something that used to ***** around all the Eve O threads wanting to nerf Gallente.


About Naomi, here's some options:

- if he/she is a troll, would be a rather bad one but still, no harm done, just some mediocre trolling;
- if he/she is a 13 year old kid starved for attention and not very bright, oh well, kids are kids, they can be annoying and silly brats but again, there's still hope it can turn out OK;
- but if he/she is an adult and is trying to have a discussion and be serious, then it's a very sad thing really.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#185 - 2011-12-22 15:18:51 UTC
Cheshire Katt wrote:

Edit: I almost forgot. LOL at changing ammo. While the Minmatar player is taking 10 seconds to change ammo, you are continuing to shoot him. Say you are doing 600 dps. That's 6000 damage while he changes ammo. (of course reduce that for whatever things like resists, etc, but it still works out to you jamming them for 10 seconds compared to your 5 second reload time) and even MORE LOL at changing ammo just because you went through shields into armor. ACs go through insane amounts of ammo, most pilots only carry emp and barrage.

Unless I'm mistaken, changing ammo takes just as long as reloading the current ammo - so, you can switch ammo types roughly about the same time you'd need to reload anyways, with very little loss - if any - in DPS. And, as you pointed out, hybrids need to reload, too. So, the reload advantage to hybrids is 5 sec, irregardless if you change ammo types or not.

As far as how much projectile ammo you can carry, projectile ammo volume was reduced significantly in Dominion, while ship cargoholds remained the same size, thus making it feasible to carry more types of ammo.

EMP is indeed still popular, but there are many who will argue that Phased Plasma and Fusion are equally useful, since the Dominion changes.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#186 - 2011-12-22 15:28:52 UTC
Cheshire Katt wrote:

I just find it hard to believe anything from people who won't post with their mains so that people can see if they are being truthful or not. So, until you do post with your main, I won't take anything you say seriously, or any of your claims seriously. A lot of people feel that way. Alts are a way to hide truths when posting on forums.

Post with your main, be internet brave, it's not like it costs you anything. Except maybe your dignity if you aren't what you say your are. Of course, then i wouldn't expect you to post with your main. Just continue arguing on an alt that nobody can take seriously.

Personal choice, that's all. I choose not to use my real life name, either, although I don't have anything to hide.

It is entirely up to you whether you take the contents of my posts seriously or not. They are not intended solely for your benefit, so it doesn't really matter either way.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2011-12-22 15:40:18 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:

Personal choice, that's all. I choose not to use my real life name, either, although I don't have anything to hide.

It is entirely up to you whether you take the contents of my posts seriously or not. They are not intended solely for your benefit, so it doesn't really matter either way.


I don't take them seriously either. *shrug* Alt = Troll or Terrible
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2011-12-22 15:41:42 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, changing ammo takes just as long as reloading the current ammo - so, you can switch ammo types roughly about the same time you'd need to reload anyways, with very little loss - if any - in DPS. And, as you pointed out, hybrids need to reload, too. So, the reload advantage to hybrids is 5 sec, irregardless if you change ammo types or not.


Yes, you are mistaken. 10 seconds of not firing your guns is a significant drop in dps.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#189 - 2011-12-22 15:58:24 UTC
ElCholo wrote:
Sizeof Void wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, changing ammo takes just as long as reloading the current ammo - so, you can switch ammo types roughly about the same time you'd need to reload anyways, with very little loss - if any - in DPS. And, as you pointed out, hybrids need to reload, too. So, the reload advantage to hybrids is 5 sec, irregardless if you change ammo types or not.


Yes, you are mistaken. 10 seconds of not firing your guns is a significant drop in dps.

That's not what I said.

Does reloading the same ammo, when your guns run dry, take the same amount of time as swapping to a different ammo type? Projectiles do not have a zero reload time.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2011-12-22 16:09:54 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
[quote=ElCholo]
Does reloading the same ammo, when your guns run dry, take the same amount of time as swapping to a different ammo type? Projectiles do not have a zero reload time.


They take twice the time as Gallente do, and in a typical fight, you don't run out of ammo before you or the person you are fighting dies. Unless you are fighting more than one person or they are using an active tank.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#191 - 2011-12-22 16:43:29 UTC
ElCholo wrote:
... in a typical fight, you don't run out of ammo before you or the person you are fighting dies. Unless you are fighting more than one person or they are using an active tank.

Interesting statement.

So, you are stating that you never (or rarely) need to reload your guns during a typical fight? Hmm.... well, I can't accuse you of exaggerating, since it is theoretically possible. I usually go through a fair amount of ammo and a number of reloads, unless I'm popping a frig with a BC, or something like.

As for fighting more than one person, yeah... that seems to happen a lot to me. I don't encounter many 1v1 situations for some reason.

Active tank... seen more than a few of these around, too. But, buffer tanks aren't all that easy to chew through, either, with a single load of ammo. And, passively-tanked Drakes are a nightmare (I hate those ships).
Kush Monster
Big Tobacco
#192 - 2011-12-22 16:49:52 UTC
why is this thread still going? kill it with fire!

How to make mining enjoyable: An Autocannon, Faction Ammo, Your Mouth
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2011-12-22 17:11:27 UTC
this discussion has gotten really stupid.

i think the reality is that there isnt really a reason to fly anything else except Canes, Drakes, Baddons and Tornados as things stand right now. blaster boats have a place in small gang pvp, but who cares? Gallente need a fleet-viable boat. medium rails need serious tweaking because there's no reason the Deimos or Eagle shouldnt be able to do what the Zealot can.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#194 - 2011-12-22 17:13:45 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
ElCholo wrote:
... in a typical fight, you don't run out of ammo before you or the person you are fighting dies. Unless you are fighting more than one person or they are using an active tank.

Interesting statement.

So, you are stating that you never (or rarely) need to reload your guns during a typical fight? Hmm.... well, I can't accuse you of exaggerating, since it is theoretically possible. I usually go through a fair amount of ammo and a number of reloads, unless I'm popping a frig with a BC, or something like.

As for fighting more than one person, yeah... that seems to happen a lot to me. I don't encounter many 1v1 situations for some reason.

Active tank... seen more than a few of these around, too. But, buffer tanks aren't all that easy to chew through, either, with a single load of ammo. And, passively-tanked Drakes are a nightmare (I hate those ships).


A 425mm AC II goes ~280 seconds between reloads... while its not unheard of to have to reload, its still pretty rare. Furthermore, you have to look at it like this: Suppose a target you're fighting has 78000 EHP to your current ammo. He has 70600 EHP to a different ammo... so you reload. Supposing you do ~700 DPS, you'll lose 7000-7700 damage... which means that unless you're really fast to get back on him you probably just lost extended the total time to kill from reloading to the optimal damage type.

In my experience, in combat reloads are best reserved for fighting low damage active tanks, fighting T2 ships, and when you're about to run out of ammo anyway.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#195 - 2011-12-22 17:14:34 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
this discussion has gotten really stupid.

i think the reality is that there isnt really a reason to fly anything else except Canes, Drakes, Baddons and Tornados as things stand right now. blaster boats have a place in small gang pvp, but who cares? Gallente need a fleet-viable boat. medium rails need serious tweaking because there's no reason the Deimos or Eagle shouldnt be able to do what the Zealot can.


You know what system had the most kills in Eve since 2007? Amamake.

You know what happens there? Small gang combat.

So who cares? Quite a few more people than you're willing to admit.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2011-12-22 17:15:27 UTC
so maybe like 50-100 people?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#197 - 2011-12-22 17:38:58 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
so maybe like 50-100 people?


/facepalm

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#198 - 2011-12-22 21:19:09 UTC
I find it hilarious that people want increased range with blasters yet scream op if you dare give certain gallente hulls a web range bonus. You do this and the biggest issue has been solved. Closing range with a blaster boat. The issue isn't dictating range, the issue is closing to within your optimal.

Because once your within scram range your target is toast. Blasters are fine. Just give gallente a way to either grab there targets or close range quicker such as removing armor rig and module penalties.
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#199 - 2011-12-22 21:39:26 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

You know what system had the most kills in Eve since 2007? Amamake.

You know what happens there? Small gang combat.

<...>

-Liang

Captn NAres wrote:

You know what system had the most pod kills in Eve since 2007? Rancer!

You know what happens there?? Veeery small ship gang combat!! (mostly pods, noobships, and T1 frigs)

<...>

- Captain Nares


Sorry Big smile
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2011-12-23 08:18:49 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:


So, you are stating that you never (or rarely) need to reload your guns during a typical fight? Hmm.... well, I can't accuse you of exaggerating, since it is theoretically possible. I usually go through a fair amount of ammo and a number of reloads, unless I'm popping a frig with a BC, or something like.



Unless you are ganking a mission runner messed up this almost never happens. I VERY rarely carry more than an extra magazine of each type of PvP ammo (though I likely have a metric fucton of crap ammo)

With the exception of the rare kiting battle, its usually over and done before your go through two mags worth.


Only a couple times when fighting in BC gangs have I ever had a gun run dry.