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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#1581 - 2011-12-22 12:48:50 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
As some of us want WiS, we need to be vigilant in the right way. When CCP focused almost entirely on WiS and abandoned FiS, that was bad. But its just as bad to abandon WiS. What is needed is balanced iteration of all features.

We need to be vigilant that no feature is abandoned. Hence this thread.

WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.


It's a science fiction space simulation, which comes with spaceships, spacestations and hopefully, eventually, everything in between. Stop trying to make this YOUR game..
Cletus Graeme
Shai Dorsai
#1582 - 2011-12-22 12:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cletus Graeme
Axel Korgain wrote:
I read about EVE in a magazine before it was released and thought to myself 'Now this game I have got to get into.' Having enjoyed Frontier and Elite previously.

I have read some of the content of this thread and I have to say that I was one of those that wanted to hop out and mingle in a station because to me EVE is NOT a game about ships and explosions.


Yet another noob who joined the game expecting content to be delivered which wasn't. EvE has been around 8 years already. It's not hard to find out how it plays. How about enjoying the game AS IT IS rather than because of some promised (but as yet undelivered) content?

You spend all your game time in a station - no wonder you want WIS so badly - talk about bias! How about undocking and finding out what EvE is really all about?

Until Incarna this whole idea of walking in stations was just a vision shared by CCP and some of the playerbase. Incarna was intended to make that vision into a reality - it failed.

Why? Because gameplay >>> graphics and while it was all "oh shiny" there was no gameplay. CCP completely misunderstood their playerbase and gave us fancy looking avatars which were stuck in a room on their own. Way to go!

On top of all this, FIS was neglected for several years - we can argue about why, but that's a fact.

I'm not against Incarna per se. I can see that it could have some serious long term potential. But CCP has a history of adding cool new stuff to the game which is then left to stagnate and eventually becomes not so cool old stuff - Wormholes, Faction Warfare, T3 ships - the list goes on.

Incarna is clearly too big for just one expansion. If/when it becomes a reality it will easily be the single largest addition to the game. That means CCP needs to dedicate huge amounts of time and resources to it unless they want it to be yet another potentially game changing idea which fails to achieve it's true potential.

All of this after sacking 20% of their workforce and whilst they're in the middle of an economic depression which is hurting both them AND their playerbase. I mean seriously, c'mon - get real!

I'd rather settle for FIS only for now and I'm happy to wait for WIS - "when it's done".

Why? Because trying to push CCP into giving us WIS any sooner will just result in another joke of an expansion and players will still be unhappy. The FIS crowd will complain about more wasted effort while the WIS crowd will complain that they still aren't getting what was promised.

If you really want WIS, either run for CSM or make sure a CSM rep is elected who can speak for you then pool together some sensible suggestions of the gameplay you want added and get your rep to take them to CCP - and then BE PATIENT cos it's going to take a while for them to get added to EvE.

In the meantime, it wouldn't hurt you to undock, fly around and blow **** up - just saying.....
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#1583 - 2011-12-22 13:02:05 UTC
robbyx wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
robbyx wrote:
You are indeed asking CCP for WiS, which would, again require them devoting time and resources to developing it, which would in turn require them to pull people from FiS to work on WiS...unless they want to hire a whole new team to work on WiS, some how i dont think they will.

As for the drop in subs due to INCARNA...for me personally and the other people i know who left, all th other stuff made me angry, but, it was the amount of time and resources used to take EVE in a direction neither they nor i wanted to have any part of, if this is the direction EVE is headed, im outties, and so were they.....thankfully CCP has re-focused back to what made EVE great.

As to the "dress up" thing...give me one instance where WiS is of any benefit to the core play of EVE, just one.....how is it helpful to shooting other peoples spaceships ?
Do you just want to walk around a station ? do you just want to come face to face with your friends avatars ? SWTOR has all that, maybe you'd be better of there.

This guy gets it.

Both of you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I will say that you do excel at being blindly negative and totally adverse to any new type of potential content for Eve.

Obviously you didn't watch or understand the CCP preview trailers centered on WiS and DUST 514 interaction.

CCP's vision has always been from the very start to create a Virtual Reality Science Fiction Universe, not just a Spaceship Simulation game.

Like it or not, in the near future there will be more WiS content seeded into the game. It'll be small increments at first and then over time it'll bloom into full blown expansions. I for one welcome it and look forward to it. If that change incites players to leave, then good riddance. The Eve Community doesn't need negative members who are adverse to change.

By the way, thanks for keeping this thread alive with your constant objectionable posting. Please keep doing it.



Your the blind one here buddy....if you think we will ever see a full blown WiS expansion, like the one that just caused mass protests and players to unsub in droves, your an idiot.....it already did incite players to leave, and CCP didnt like it so they stopped.

What the EVE community doesnt need is full blown retards like you trying to turn EVE into WoW in space...kindly f**k of back to whatever free-to-play bullsh*t you came from.

Kind regards, the REAL EVE community.


You're calling the single cell, slow motion, solitary confinement packaged as 'Incarna' a full blown expansion?? Sorry mate but you lack vision.. I'm guessing nobody on this post thinks that what we got last summer came anywhere near the vision sold to us years ago.
Lexmana
#1584 - 2011-12-22 13:05:37 UTC
There are so many things in EVE that needs a big overhaul (FW, dscan, local, sov mechanics comes to mind). Fixing these things is what will make EVE thrive and ultimately stand the test of time - adding more half-baked features such as WiS only makes that list longer and serves to enhance the impression of EVE as a broken game ultimately killing it.

Do you really want to kill EVE?
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#1585 - 2011-12-22 13:08:17 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
the holy trinity of eve online is
1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me)
2. killmails
3. tears

everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above,
bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever
pointless, GTFO



That's it, you're never drinking in my bar mofo. Cheap Quafe for you only!!
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#1586 - 2011-12-22 13:13:39 UTC
robbyx wrote:
Arcathra wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
the holy trinity of eve online is
1. isk (my gain or you losing more than me)
2. killmails
3. tears

everything else is a by-product of the pursuit of the above,
bunch of morons partaking in faego o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 in a station bar whatever
pointless, GTFO


Oh, it generates tears as you clearly show. What was your point again? Big smile

Pointless for you (that's fine), a clear addition to their gameplay for others. What makes you so special to be the guideline for every other player?



The only tears are coming from you pansy station walking wannabes....and yes i do feel rather special.....i took part in the protests, and put my money where my mouth is and unsubbed, as did enough people to help change CCP's mind.....maybe you should try that, get all the WiS fanbois to quit, see if enough care to make a difference....i sincerely doubt it.....keep crying though, its hilarious tbh.


One could argue that it's the attitude of crybabies like you that caused, in part, some of the layoffs. I hated the Incarna release as well (it's useless in its current form) but I never unsubbed, the game goes on, evolves, but again we're now regurgitating 70+ pages of this post. Clearly there is enough passion for this inevitable progression, one way or the other, that it deserves some attention.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#1587 - 2011-12-22 13:25:50 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Do you really want to kill EVE?

No, I don't want to kill EVE. I want CCP to iterate on old content and overhaul as many "construction sites" as possible. But at the same time I see the potential of adding another layer of gameplay to the game.
The chances are that we won't see any new WiS content the next year I guess. I'm fine with that. But I would like them to reconsider the idea of WiS some time after that and it isn't wrong to show CCP that there are still a lot people out there who share a vision about WiS.
It's not wrong to remind CCP of WiS and to toss some ideas and suggestions around so that the next try to get WiS done won't be such a disaster.

Nothing can be done over night, especially not WiS, but it would "comfort" players like me that they are still working on some WiS related stuff or are planning to get back to some of it after some time fixing a lot of the FiS content. It would be something to look forward to.
And just to have it said: No, I've never startet to play the game because of the possibility of WiS. But I really like the idea and would like to explore the stations one day with my character. If they really shelve it forever I would sure be a bit disappointed, but it would be fine for me. EVE has more to it Smile.
Lexmana
#1588 - 2011-12-22 13:27:54 UTC
Jonni Favorite wrote:
One could argue that it's the attitude of crybabies like you that caused, in part, some of the layoffs. I hated the Incarna release as well (it's useless in its current form) but I never unsubbed, the game goes on, evolves, but again we're now regurgitating 70+ pages of this post. Clearly there is enough passion for this inevitable progression, one way or the other, that it deserves some attention.


He's one of the "crybabies" that helped save EVE. If CCP had continued with space barbies the layoffs would have been far greater. You do realize that a couple of dussin pro WiS players is not enough to fund development of EVE - unless you all started your day logging into NeX and bought a box of monocles.
Disdaine
#1589 - 2011-12-22 13:32:40 UTC
Cletus Graeme wrote:

I'd rather settle for FIS only for now and I'm happy to wait for WIS - "when it's done".


Glad you agree with most of us.
Jeami
Doomheim
#1590 - 2011-12-22 14:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeami
Lexmana wrote:
There are so many things in EVE that needs a big overhaul (FW, dscan, local, sov mechanics comes to mind). Fixing these things is what will make EVE thrive and ultimately stand the test of time - adding more half-baked features such as WiS only makes that list longer and serves to enhance the impression of EVE as a broken game ultimately killing it.

Do you really want to kill EVE?



I would argue that lack of avatar interaction is the only thing holding the game back. See how that works?

You're the type of player who lulled CCP into the idea that they could release tiny tweaks and call them expansions in the first place.

"Big Overhaul" "dscan"

WTF?

What would that expansion be called? Sonar? What is wrong with you? That should be something maybe on patch notes it's so small. And you're surprised CCP thought that they could get away with a half assed room? Sorry WiS people have an actual sane vision and weren't satisfied. You on the other hand clearly have such a small and deficient brain a single solitary set of pixels spinning around on a pin would satisfy you entirely. Please, keep your kindergarten ideas to yourself everything you said was stupid.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1591 - 2011-12-22 14:37:31 UTC
Cletus Graeme wrote:
PLAY MY SANDBOX MY WAY!!


Sometimes it just feels wrong to figure that this kind of players may get all of CCP's love for years to come... (insert facepalm)
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1592 - 2011-12-22 15:08:20 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Cletus Graeme wrote:
PLAY MY SANDBOX MY WAY!!


Sometimes it just feels wrong to figure that this kind of players may get all of CCP's love for years to come... (insert facepalm)

I'd much rather see FiS get a lot of attention now so it's actually fixed rather than semi-broke as it is now, and then possibly have attention shifted over to WiS again, than have them focus on WiS now and leave the rest of nullsec broken as it is now.

The first'll see them keep the playerbase they have, and probably increase it as well. The second'll see them lose parts of the playerbase they have now, in the hopes that WiS will be sufficiently Jesus-y to make up for it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Topaz Sky
#1593 - 2011-12-22 15:36:47 UTC
I've been waiting for WiS since 2007 when I first learned of it though talk of it existed long before then. I'm fairly certain some new players in this thread don't understand that it wasn't dreamt up in "18 months" and that Incarna wasn't WiS coming to fruition.

That's a good five years for me and more for others.

This isn't a spaceship game, nor is it an economic simulator, not a bazaar. It's all of those things in a sandbox and a sandbox means freedom, there's no one way to play this game. One of the main concepts of a sandbox is you are free to create or free to just observe, whatever you want, do whatever you want. Bickering over "spaceships or barbies" was sort of cute in a little kid trying to be edgy and hip way. But it misses the mark with this game because EVE isn't an 'either or' game.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1594 - 2011-12-22 16:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Lord Zim wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Cletus Graeme wrote:
PLAY MY SANDBOX MY WAY!!


Sometimes it just feels wrong to figure that this kind of players may get all of CCP's love for years to come... (insert facepalm)

I'd much rather see FiS get a lot of attention now so it's actually fixed rather than semi-broke as it is now, and then possibly have attention shifted over to WiS again, than have them focus on WiS now and leave the rest of nullsec broken as it is now.

The first'll see them keep the playerbase they have, and probably increase it as well. The second'll see them lose parts of the playerbase they have now, in the hopes that WiS will be sufficiently Jesus-y to make up for it.


Well, nobody WiSer is asking to abandon FiS for WiS. BOTH concepts have been abandoned and neglected during the "18 months" and now CCP is back to listening to players (or so they swear).

Just WiS players are not feeling like we are being listened to. Prior to develop any WiS content, CCP devs must gather info from players (and I mean individual players, as the CSM is kinda busy attending to their voters). What we want, what we expect, and so.

That would be just the beginning of he start, and so far, CCP official, unofficial, recorded and off-the-record stance about WiS is this:

(...)

Nothing.

Meanwhile, WiS has got many things that require attention. Some are little, some are big. I've been figuring a list, even:

**Character customization:
- Squint eyes (old issue)
- Randomly unresponsive interface (next/back buttons, mesh triggers), post-Crucible issue
- More lip mobilty to do some actual smiles (showing the teeth)
- No racial apparel and hairdos, unlike the old creator
- fantasy hair colors (cherry red, electric blue, lemon green...)
- To develop: painted fingernails, color intensity slider for hair colors
- The need to remake your portrait just because you changed you shoes... wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Changing your clothes should be done from a CQ menu, not through the portrait maker.
- Real earrings, not piercings (pet issue of mine)
- no violet/plum make up/eyeshadow/lipstick (pet issue of mine, albeit we got white lipstick and a few more colors with crucible)

**NEx store:
- Macrotransaction pricing: watch Jita ISK prices, learn why heels should not be more expensive than a BS...
- No meaningful differences between low/middle/top tier
- Over a hundred items from current "Militia" collection are seeded at Sisi but not released at TQ
- Whatever happened to "Business" and "Cyberpunk" collections?
- ISK for PLEX for AUR for NEx assets for ISK = overly complicated (anyway the CSM is already looking upon that, Seleene said)

**CQ:
- Lighting post-effects take a visible time to detect source oclusion by the avatar, i.e. you continuously see light sources piercing through your avatar for a split second before being properly blocked...
- Some shadows still look funny, albeit the overall lighting has been seriously improved
- The pod... leave it naked and covered in goo, then climb a ladder in public... feels weird. Should be easy to a add a sort of "cabin" concealing the pod from the station (immersion issue)
- To develop: how about inviting one person to your CQ? Or two? Or whatever is the current count before framerate collapses into a singularity and ATI cards catch fire? (twink, twink)

Thats only about fix current stuff and further develop existing assets/feaures, not abut adding new features as that would require -ideally- crowdsourcing a.k.a. ask your players what do they want to play when outside of their pod.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1595 - 2011-12-22 16:33:13 UTC
its funny that a lot of only FIS people concentrating there summer anger to WIS
The summer rage was about a lot of things .
Weird people who can,t let their emotions go and now concentrate all their real life anger to the next best thing
Crubicle made a lot of people happy,but not those players.
Its sad really ,imagine that EVE was perfect for all ,than the angry ones had no life any more,searching for another gamecompany and/or its players to be angry about.

R.S.I2014
Taiwanistan
#1596 - 2011-12-22 16:49:01 UTC
hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor:
a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar,
all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
/lol

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1597 - 2011-12-22 16:51:01 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor:
a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar,
all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
/lol



Enjoy.

You failed.
You ask why ?
Because you are only one who feel that way. So your understanding is bound to it.
So essentially you are the Barbie lover.
Rest of us, just come along and dont really have some "strong" feelings.

In other words you are tool. Enjoy.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1598 - 2011-12-22 16:57:44 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor:
a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar,
all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
/lol



Enjoy.

You failed.
You ask why ?
Because you are only one who feel that way. So your understanding is bound to it.
So essentially you are the Barbie lover.
Rest of us, just come along and dont really have some "strong" feelings.

In other words you are tool. Enjoy.


pls let him and the other 2 whiners have their go on this thread,makes them feel happier

R.S.I2014
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
#1599 - 2011-12-22 20:53:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nypheas Azurai
oh, looks like I still have a few hours. well anyways, hoping CCP comments sooner rather than SOONER TM and tell us in no uncertain terms whether they plan to fill our sandbox up with fresh sand or just shuffle around old dirt.


perhaps just waiting to expire isn't being proactive enough, so instead I just actively cancelled my sub with a note expressing my disappointment in the lack of a plan for WiS and referencing this thread. I hope for the sake of CCP that they get the message.
robbyx
#1600 - 2011-12-22 21:21:48 UTC
Nypheas Azurai wrote:
oh, looks like I still have a few hours. well anyways, hoping CCP comments sooner rather than SOONER TM and tell us in no uncertain terms whether they plan to fill our sandbox up with fresh sand or just shuffle around old dirt.


perhaps just waiting to expire isn't being proactive enough, so instead I just actively cancelled my sub with a note expressing my disappointment in the lack of a plan for WiS and referencing this thread. I hope for the sake of CCP that they get the message.



I can give you answer now...."maybe re-visited some time in the future"......which in CCP lingo means " lol fat chance ".

I also would take this time to ask one of the WiShiners about gameplay, since you all keep going on about this "other" level of game play.......what gameplay would WiS add to the game ? there will be no FPS in stations, so please enlighten me as to the gameplay aspect that can be gained from WiS,...im not talking about sitting around in bars watching avatars walk by, i mean actual gameplay that reflects and compliments the cruel, harsh nature of EVE online.