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T1 sentry drones in l4 missions

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Psajho
Super Phun Thyme
#1 - 2015-02-26 17:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Psajho
Hellou:)!

I have just finnished skilling for passive Rattlesnake and would like your opinion about taking T1 sentry drones in l4 mission ( until i can have t2).
I have Caldari BS on 5,Cruise Missiles on 5,sentry drones just started skilling to 5( 20 looong days of skilling) .Drone secondary skills( interface and durabilit on 4).

Please write your opinions and expiriences on using t1 sentrys in L4 missions ( time requred to finnish mission comparing to t2 e.g.) and if you think can Rattle with t1 sentrys be faster in compliting missions then SNI.
I fly SNI for now and i like it a lot ( rof bonus especially) but just need to have ship which can run missions faster and only Scorpion hull will doCool and ship will be used for null sec ratting too( idk if this cahnges anything but stil info).

Anyway thank you in advance for any reply and advice given.

Psy.
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#2 - 2015-02-26 17:21:00 UTC
Use navy sentries till T2
Psajho
Super Phun Thyme
#3 - 2015-02-26 17:55:21 UTC
Good advice.Tnx.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-02-26 18:18:23 UTC
Just be careful they don't die, they're a few million a pop.
Psajho
Super Phun Thyme
#5 - 2015-02-26 18:21:56 UTC
So what you think of putting remote armor rep in high slot or...? I never flown a drone ship before but would really like to.
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-02-26 18:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
If you are using the navy variant sentries with a Rattlesnake they will have a pretty high HP buffer, as long as you are paying attention a repper should not be necessary just pull them and wait for the aggro to switch back to you, the drone link augmentor will be preferred in the utility slot.

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Psajho
Super Phun Thyme
#7 - 2015-02-26 19:29:31 UTC
Tnx for advice ParanoidBlink
Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#8 - 2015-02-26 21:00:50 UTC
Granted, I only did missions for 2 weeks or so, but I did it with Faction Sentries (damn expensive, be warned) in a Domi and I never lost a drone. I also couldnt use T2 drones.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#9 - 2015-02-27 04:39:16 UTC
Going to go another way with this than the others have.

Snake vs Sin
Which is the better mission ship especially when you throw in nul sec ratting?

My first thought is the Sin, the black ops side has paper advantages for nul ops. Never been there or done that so I can only base this on the paper numbers, flying one you would be far better at assessing that part of the equation.
Tank ability may go to the snake but again I have no experience so I will simply say that a passive fit snake can have upwards of 900dps tank for virtually all NPC.

Now the drone aspect.

Call them a dead heat for damage output. When they re-balanced the snake they set it up so that an all skills 5 pilot will have the same DPS with 2 drones that they had before with 5 so this is essentially a non-factor.

Hit points is where the biggest change came. Like the DPS the total hit points for a flight of drones for an all skills 5 pilot is the same, with the snake it is spread out between 2 drones on the Sin it would be spread out between 5.
For the Sin each drone is more susceptible to taking damage, remote repping them becomes a little more tedious but you only lose 20% of your DPS if you have to recall one to break agro.
On the snake the drones are less susceptible to damage and repping them is less tedious but if you have to recall one to break agro you lose 50% of your drones DPS.
Looking at this I think the ship itself would be more important to consider than the drones would be.

So the ships.
Remember that with the snake you only have bonuses to missiles if they are thermal or kinetic, for em and explosive there are no bonuses. How does this affect you in your area of space and how does that compare to the Sin? you wil have to figure that for your self.

Sacrificing a launcher or gun for a remote rep? that is a tough call. There are missions where I do exactly that because the NPC really hate drones, on others I do not because the NPC virtually ignore the drones. For now I would recommend this option until you get to T2 drones, or until you have had some time to see how it all works out for you.

Will T1 drones work? You bet they will. A little more susceptible to damage and not quite as much DPS output but overall not a real problem.

Final thoughts lead to a question.
Have you used drones in missions before?
If not I would suggest that you take the 20 days you have left and run some lvl 3 missions in a drones ship to start to get used to how the NPC and your drones respond.
Psajho
Super Phun Thyme
#10 - 2015-02-27 09:04:04 UTC
Tnx for wall of there Donnachadh Smile

Intresting suggestion that you reccomended Sin its great drone ship but for now ill stick to Rattle becouse skilling for Sin will take long time and it can surely be a future project ( especially for null rating ).

Those 20 days are important to me becouse I pay my game time with plex bought on market and need to now if i can run missions with T1 sentrys as efficiant and "fast" as in SNI.You gave me answer to that and ill try t1 sentry snake asap.

As for missile bonuses,SNI doesnt have any missile bonus ( but RoF bonus is great too) and handle l4 with ease so snake with those two bonuses (kin and termal) will definitly run at least Mordus and Serp missions 50% fasterBig smileand I get them often.

About missions where drones gets eaten fast for now I only have that problem in World Colide but nothing that cant be handled but your advice on having 5 vs 2 drones for damage mitigation is very nice,didnt think of that.

Tnx again,much to think about.

P.
Psajho
Super Phun Thyme
#11 - 2015-02-27 09:05:15 UTC
Leiliana Atruin wrote:
Granted, I only did missions for 2 weeks or so, but I did it with Faction Sentries (damn expensive, be warned) in a Domi and I never lost a drone. I also couldnt use T2 drones.



That is encouraging Blink
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#12 - 2015-02-27 11:35:00 UTC
T1 drones also fine but T1 drones with Rattle sounds silly Blink
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
#13 - 2015-02-27 16:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kousaka Otsu Shigure
One tip I can give you it to bring a mobile depot, since you're bringing sentries, so you can swap modules for range, drone control range, mjd<>mwd, etc.

I ran a sentry Armageddon for quite a while with 'only' T1 sentries. It was surprisingly versatile and capable. I skilled for sentry damage first, then control range, then optimal range.

Ditto on the faction sentry usage since you're gonna use just 2x sentries (not like the usual 5x), its gonna be easier on the wallet.

edit: empty high slots can be filled with Drone Link Augmentors so you can shoot up to 200km with sentries!

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-02-28 10:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
as a starting point they will do

you'll get better performance from either faction or T2 drones
but there is a slightly higher price for that improvement

if your testing something new (to you) .. it's probably best to go for the cheap option, as that makes it more repeatable and affordable when the explosions happen.

dominix + T1 sentries (backed up by light/medium's) will still clear a L4 mission, maybe a little bit slower but you'll also be learning how to manage drones at the same time.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-02-28 13:09:40 UTC
just saying but don't use a sin for pve, such a terrible idea.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#16 - 2015-02-28 19:28:06 UTC
Sometimes I would use t1 drones for missions when I was watching Netflix and knew that I would probably lose some since I wasn't going to be paying attention
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#17 - 2015-03-02 03:48:27 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
just saying but don't use a sin for pve, such a terrible idea.

Just idle curiosity here and since the OP was asking about it , why do you think it would be a bad idea?
Nycha
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-03-02 16:42:11 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
just saying but don't use a sin for pve, such a terrible idea.

Just idle curiosity here and since the OP was asking about it , why do you think it would be a bad idea?

I dont know what a Sin is, so I looked it up ingame. Its a dominix hull variation and comparing the variations, its like a 60% dominix navy issue with useless blackops features and a way higher pricetag.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-03-04 18:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
IMHO, RS is great for what you want... down the road. Recently put one together getting 1450+ dps... But that is with T2 sentries and nearly perfect missile skills and both Caldari and Gallente BS V.

What I did, and what my advice to you is, Run a Sentry Domi with faction sentries. Very low entry with very high results. The drone bonuses are amazing. Then when you do get T2 sentries it gets even more efficient.

Drone links in the highs for range, MJD & MWD in mids along with drone tracking and sebos, then drone dmg, DCII, repper and reactive armor hardener in the lows. CCC in the rigs.

Warp in, MJD out, blap blap blap... if anything gets close enough to even do dmg MJD out another 100km to finish them off.

Target frigs first then up.

I use Wardens / Gardes. Superior application at long (90-130km) / close (15-60km) range.

5 yrs. Most efficient lvl IV mission runner for low-medium skilled pilots.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-03-05 00:11:46 UTC
Nycha wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
just saying but don't use a sin for pve, such a terrible idea.

Just idle curiosity here and since the OP was asking about it , why do you think it would be a bad idea?

I dont know what a Sin is, so I looked it up ingame. Its a dominix hull variation and comparing the variations, its like a 60% dominix navy issue with useless blackops features and a way higher pricetag.


yep = gank magnet solo in hisec