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SpaceSquirrels
#21 - 2011-12-21 23:23:44 UTC
Was it a minie ball or a older style muzzle loader? A mini ball round is the size of a .50cal and higher velocity. Now take into account a higher angle, and wind it's not inconceivable of a minie ball round traveling 1.5 miles. (They were accurate from certain rifles to 800 yards.

As for the kids thing... yeah culture really needs to change. I'm just tired of dumb people having children or dumb people having children they never wanted in the first place. Sadly laws are easier to enact sometimes than a cultural shift. Will it ever happen? I dunno who's to say? But we should start with a test for firearms at least.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#22 - 2011-12-21 23:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.

(All that they do check, is that you haven't done something stupid before, which is not proof that you are incapable of something and that you have a safe place to store it, maaaybe in some places they send you on a quick course but I am talking about the sort of people that wouldn't pay attention or take it in the first and only time around.)

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-12-21 23:40:10 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.

(All that they do check, is that you haven't done something stupid before, which is not proof that you are incapable of something and that you have a safe place to store it, maaaybe in some places they send you on a quick course but I am talking about the sort of people that wouldn't pay attention or take it in the first and only time around.)


Hey, over here there's a check box on the form for buying a gun that asks you if you're insane. We're on the honor system here Bear

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SpaceSquirrels
#24 - 2011-12-21 23:43:21 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.

(All that they do check, is that you haven't done something stupid before, which is not proof that you are incapable of something and that you have a safe place to store it, maaaybe in some places they send you on a quick course but I am talking about the sort of people that wouldn't pay attention or take it in the first and only time around.)


Hey, over here there's a check box on the form for buying a gun that asks you if you're insane. We're on the honor system here Bear


Too be fair some people just forget if they're not on their meds.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2011-12-21 23:54:43 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Was it a minie ball or a older style muzzle loader? A mini ball round is the size of a .50cal and higher velocity. Now take into account a higher angle, and wind it's not inconceivable of a minie ball round traveling 1.5 miles. (They were accurate from certain rifles to 800 yards.

As for the kids thing... yeah culture really needs to change. I'm just tired of dumb people having children or dumb people having children they never wanted in the first place. Sadly laws are easier to enact sometimes than a cultural shift. Will it ever happen? I dunno who's to say? But we should start with a test for firearms at least.



You hit the key words: [quote]culture really needs to change/quote]

This is what I have been working on for 11 years regarding firearms handling and safety. To give you an idea, my uncle, who is over 80, had an old .38 revolver he got a garage sale for 10 bucks. Nice deal (why can't I find those?) so he brought it to the range. Already having such a gun myself, I was not interested in trying it out.

When he asked me if I wanted to use it, he gestured with the handgun. Big smile. It was empty, but he pointed it at me and then waved at the range position when he asked the question, such as you would a hand gesture, finger on the trigger and all. He was a soldier in the Army in Korea and that's as much as that generation had in training. I see a lot of old guys doing that.

"Flagging" people at the range with a muzzle is a big fat no no. Even if you are not touching the trigger and the gun is not loaded. While I cannot get the old dogs to change their habits, we have worked very hard to change the culture away from this "Inspector Clouseau" style of gun handling and it torques me to see someone being a bonehead and shooting into the air.

The only excuse for shooting into the air is to take down the flying zombies, but that's another topic.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-22 03:42:22 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.

(All that they do check, is that you haven't done something stupid before, which is not proof that you are incapable of something and that you have a safe place to store it, maaaybe in some places they send you on a quick course but I am talking about the sort of people that wouldn't pay attention or take it in the first and only time around.)


Hey, over here there's a check box on the form for buying a gun that asks you if you're insane. We're on the honor system here Bear


Too be fair some people just forget if they're not on their meds.


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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#27 - 2011-12-22 06:19:04 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.

(All that they do check, is that you haven't done something stupid before, which is not proof that you are incapable of something and that you have a safe place to store it, maaaybe in some places they send you on a quick course but I am talking about the sort of people that wouldn't pay attention or take it in the first and only time around.)




Yeah it's easy to live in some small country where everybody is the same, right?

But I am all for people doing something dumb and having to jump through hoops later, but for EVERYTHING, not just for guns.

That way we can all bask in control freak tyranny.

For example, every time some crazy mother on anti-depressants drowns her kids, lets send agents to the home of every mother who ever popped a crazy pill and forcibly take their children away.

Not that I want to see that happen, but if I, as a gun owner, have to put up with the "somebody somewhere did something so let's crack down on you" kind of thing, then everybody should have equal treatment over what they care for.

And I am serious when I say that the day will come when some noob is going to get griefed, kill himself, it will look like the game was entirely at fault but the facts of the matter will not be on the news or the front page of the paper, and politicians will fall all over themselves trying to put controls of MMOs just to win votes.

Imagine if getting petitioned in EvE got you a visit from cops.


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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-12-22 12:07:37 UTC
Akita T wrote:

Also, if you HAVE to shoot in the air, why not just shoot as straight up as you can ?
This way the bullet will certainly come to a near full stop eventually and then only carry free-fall terminal velocity in air kinetic energy which is almost guaranteed to at most hurt but not kill.


Mythbusters did an episode on this. Apparently it is insanely difficult to shoot exactly strait up. Deviate by even a single degree and any bullet comes down enough enough force to pierce someones skull. This happens allot. I remember a story where a father and son are sitting in doors at a shooting range. Kid drops dead (yep another head shot) What? Why always head shots?


The official account is that the bullet (fired from a handgun) passed strait down through the roof. It evidently ricocheted off of an object outside, hurled itself into a steep arc, pierced a metal ceiling and found a kids skull to crack. I am a big fan of evolution and chaos theory, but this defies all odds imo. Never new what to make of stuff like that.

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-12-22 12:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
...but this defies all odds imo. Never new what to make of stuff like that.


Nothing defies the odds.

If the odds are ten million to one, rest assured there are millions of idiots firing many shots into the air who hit nothing. The same reinforcement that makes you feel these events are too common or to unlikely, is reinforcing those morons that it's fine to be stupid because they see many shots fired and nothing bad happening. Then they go play the lottery... Roll

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-12-22 13:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
...but this defies all odds imo. Never new what to make of stuff like that.


Nothing defies the odds.

If the odds are ten million to one, rest assured there are millions of idiots firing many shots into the air who hit nothing. The same reinforcement that makes you feel these events are too common or to unlikely, is reinforcing those morons that it's fine to be stupid because they see many shots fired and nothing bad happening. Then they go play the lottery... Roll


Yea I get that, and yes it is easy to say.



But if you stand at a basket ball hoop... yada yada yada (i'm sure you heard this before so I will move on) Shooting into a crowded area is one thing, and shooting into a crowd and hitting someone in the shoulder, arm, leg, torso is another... if they are not moving. Shooting blind into an area with low population, only to score a head shot onto a moving target, all alone on a road, is freakin astronomical.

Not the neck, arm, leg, carriage, foot, horse or a grazing blow. BAM! The only truly lethal hit besides strait through the heart at that range. Done with a gun that cannot possibly be accurate enough to achieve that goal if you tried to do it.




Maybe if you new a little more about guns and a little less about math, it would give you pause as well.
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Fiori 161
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-12-22 13:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fiori 161
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.

(All that they do check, is that you haven't done something stupid before, which is not proof that you are incapable of something and that you have a safe place to store it, maaaybe in some places they send you on a quick course but I am talking about the sort of people that wouldn't pay attention or take it in the first and only time around.)


My, my... aren't you naive, egotistical and pretentious.



Maybe you should work your little fingers and research what happened to a certain European county's violent crime rate AFTER they made smooth bore weapons illegal. You may then find that you are not as smart as you think that you are.
stoicfaux
#32 - 2011-12-22 14:23:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am glad that I live in a country where it is nearly impossible for civilians to get a gun. There is no IQ or personality tests done before people get a licenses & guns and I don't trust 90% of the world's population - they will do stupid things.


You live in North Korea?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#33 - 2011-12-22 15:33:43 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


The only excuse for shooting into the air is to take down the flying zombies, but that's another topic.


Is it not standard operating procedure for most police forces to unload one charge into the air before they actually discharge their firearm one someone that is fleeing them? Or is this something that has been popularized by the entertainment industry?


Slade
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#34 - 2011-12-22 16:18:01 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


The only excuse for shooting into the air is to take down the flying zombies, but that's another topic.


Is it not standard operating procedure for most police forces to unload one charge into the air before they actually discharge their firearm one someone that is fleeing them? Or is this something that has been popularized by the entertainment industry?


Slade




Warning shots used to be codified into law in some cases, either for police or for citizens in general but the laws varied greatly.

I know of a few home defense cases where a district attorney with a political (anti-gun) agenda tried to nail a would-be victim on the "no warning shot" thing which may still be on the books in many jurisdictions - even from the 19th century - but such potential for a charge is immediately shot down (pun intended) over the potential for risk of hitting somebody else.

In either case, it's quite rare to hear of any requirements to fire a warning shot these days.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#35 - 2011-12-22 19:25:21 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:

Is it not standard operating procedure for most police forces to unload one charge into the air before they actually discharge their firearm one someone that is fleeing them? Or is this something that has been popularized by the entertainment industry?


Slade




Warning shots used to be codified into law in some cases, either for police or for citizens in general but the laws varied greatly.

I know of a few home defense cases where a district attorney with a political (anti-gun) agenda tried to nail a would-be victim on the "no warning shot" thing which may still be on the books in many jurisdictions - even from the 19th century - but such potential for a charge is immediately shot down (pun intended) over the potential for risk of hitting somebody else.

In either case, it's quite rare to hear of any requirements to fire a warning shot these days.


That is good to hear as one should be responsible for that charge if it causes damage to person or property. Under common law that is. Common law is the main reason that one should be sure that they are going to hit the person they want to hit if they do discharge their gun because they will have to deal with the results of their actions if they hit an innocent bystander.


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