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That would be one way of retaining the work done, but it would rather diminish the point of it all. The information is already in the overview, and tbh, they don't fit all that well in that list anyway, especially given the way other information is overlaid on top of those icons.

I'm getting the sense that this is some silent move towards the idea of an improved tactical screen that they tossed around a while back (during some fanfest presentation or other): a more RTS-style, 2D view of the battlefield for FCs and the like. I'd imagine that these icons could work well enough there — it would have to reinterpret the grid anyway, so having these types of larger icons to represent functions or squads would be one part of that interpretation layer.

That would work around the core issue that these icons require far more screen real-estate to become useful, since such a viewpoint would have to shift between different levels of detail as you zoomed in and out anyway. The icons can be left fairly big because at the highest level, one size represents an entire fleet, and another a single squad. Zoom in a few steps, and now those same sizes represent a wing and a solo ship, still operating on an abstract tactical board (think more along the lines of Advance Wars or HoMM3).

Summarizing for ease of finding and as a refresher for devs if they miss the posts buried earlier on...

1) Icons like this, nice simple, clearly identifiable and contain all the info you really need in the over (nearly any other piece of info you would need would be already available in the overview list):

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1AmgaXrxCn4BXMC6200G6TiQpZhiDEn2-PeA7zOwanRg/edit

Via Thoirdhealbhach. Player and NPC ships don't need for each and every ship type and variation to be displayed as a separate icon.

2) Or just plain using different shapes entirely (via Tippia): http://eve.beyondreality.se/pics/OverviewIcons.png.

3) And for drones, they just need to be simplified, kinda like this http://imgur.com/HqClpnt example by Alexis Nightwish, but maybe more generic like dps, ewar, and logi separations only (no size) as to avoid the having 27 different icons for variations on drones to keep track of.

4) Or as Geanos suggested another simplistic model, WoT... http://newnetwork.cc/images/maptactic/wot-icon-pack-ejs.jpg, we only really need a handful of ship class icons, S M L XL, so it shouldn't be terribly difficult to put together something like this.

5) Drones... http://i.imgur.com/pVz8aq0.png. Yeah, we don't need all that... we just need to see that it is a drone and where it is at. If we decide we need to care about what kind of drone it is, guess what... there are 2 columns already in the overview for that.

6) The NPC icons are just too close to each other, not enough difference once the icons are scaled from their original artwork size to the overview size. Example http://i.imgur.com/Lvb79Uy.png. Add in of course the clutter from being targeted or if you have them locked. Are the wrecks also going to be split into a dozen different size variations as well? Currently the wreck sizes are S, M, and L. Regardless we need to keep it simple, we only need to know basic info on the overview, like is it a small, medium, large, or extra large ship. Any further decisions are not based on the ship hull but rather the exact ship itself.

7) When considering the overview's information, one thing that stands out as different when compared to Player ships is both the Name and Type columns for NPCs just repeat the name of the NPC, it would probably be more helpful and give you somewhere to put that distinct info you want to give by listing the ship hull class information there instead?

You haven't tried them on SISI yet, where they just become blurry red groups of things moving about on your screen.

The need to be able identify what is what with the "ship type" column in overview is even more important now as a moving red blurr on your screen helps, not at all.

Please CCP don't do this. At least not until you get it right.
For an icon to be useful it needs to tell you something you can't easily find out anywhere else. These new ship icons don't come close to doing that.
A blurry red mass that tells you nothing more than - I have to look at my "ship type" overview because there are now hostiles on grid, is not an improvement.





I have decent hardware, AMD Quad core, 32GB ram, 2 X Nvidia 750ti's and on a 24" monitor these new icons are blurry and just not nice to look at.

A little developing hint - Test your new developments on hardware the everyday user has access to - NOT FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES.
What looks amazing on future tech is absolute crap on the average machine.

my 5" phone has a 1080 display, my 10" tablet has a 1080 display, my 23" computer monitors have a 1080 display, some things are starting to not look quite so good on my monitors. 4k displays are still a bit expensive, but if I see one on sale or something I might just go for it. also I remember seeing some complaints about the UI not scaling well to various setups, the UI scaling options are somewhat new. having more robustness to the UI seems like a good thing to me.

Monday morning, guess the devs will start reading again.

So, to summarize:

- icons are too small
- there are too many icon types
- icons are too similar to each other
- moving icons are blurry
- the relevant information (ship type) is on the overview, not on the icons

Did I miss something?

ISIS icons are very nice and they look wonderful there, but they don't mix well with the overview. Why not use clear shapes that would show a clear progression for each category of ships or drones? I made a quick mockup to illustrate this:

Combat - circle & diagonal lines
Industrial - triangle & horizontal lines
Drones - square & vertical lines

It is not polished but you'll gt the idea

This is SPARTA!

I do like the concept, but in all honesty it probably just needs to be even more simplified... combining frig/dessie, cruiser/bc, and the capitals.

Industrial frig? Isn't there just one of those... so why make it separate, just toss it in with either a base industrial class, or frigate/dessie class.

And the industrial command, that is just the orca right? If so I'd say it would qualify to be lumped in with freighters and rorq.

Also needs to be designed at a base size of 20x20 as that is the max space when the UI is scaled at 100%.

Otherwise I really love the industrial and drone icons. The pod icon and the frigate icon could potentially suffer the same loss of detail when scaled as their new icons currently have.

I would really be happy if they would just keep the current level of detail on TQ, standardize them between NPC and player ships (using one of the above examples or a combination of the ideas), and then leave it at that.

When considering the overview's information, one thing that stands out as different when compared to Player ships is both the Name and Type columns for NPCs just repeat the name of the NPC, it would probably be more helpful and give you somewhere to put that distinct info you want to give by listing the ship hull class information there instead?

Finally to help further standardize the overview between player and NPC ships I really want to see an actual ship type listed in the Type column for NPCs!!! Not just repeating their name again.

It is awful. Give me opportunity to use the old icons and you can do whatever you want.

Sry for GT.