Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think onces sov changes are made, and more ppl comes to NULL, JB fatigue wont be a toruble. The problem now is that NULL sec is empty, there are a lot of empty systems, and some with few few ppl on them, so you have to travel several jumps to actually get in a good fight. When nullsec gets more populated, you wont be needing to travel that much, fights and sov war will be always at your front door.

As the changes to jump range and the addition to fatigue was all about slowing down nulsec movement, it is an overwhelming success. Static little pockets controlled by large coalitions is the norm, those with a vested interest in creating the current situation in sov nul can call op success.

If limited PVP opportunities was another of the Devs goals, they also can claim OP success.

Does not matter what Devs do from now, any future changes will only contribute to them having handed Sov nulsec to the giant coalitions.

I just hope all the pretty effects are enough to keep existing and entice new players because no-one looking for real pvp content is going to stay much longer. What could have been the draw card for years to come for CCP has become the single worst aspect of TQ for those not interested in 200+ man "drop drone, anchor up" fleets.

Well, it's overwhelming sucess in making certain ships a significant PITA to fly - while not really adressing anything. Slowing down a bit, making frustrating - sure. But stopping ?

- they allowed jumpgate use (it's like barricading door while leaving window wide open), orignal idea on evnews24 blog didn't had that "workaround" either iirc
- they didn't touch jumpclones
- reinforce timers starting at 40+ hours in most simple cases

Whatever "big guys" find worth defending - they will defend - regardless of where it is. Whether by local assets alone or not.

Instead of fatigue, variable based on mass and distance tied to constellations (or more fine-grained areas, see below) would be better (similar concept to wormhole entries) - recovering very slowly over time, and getting used up very quickly on interconstellation (or overall too far) moves by means other than through stargates. This would constraint distant non-stargate jumps wthout introducing (copy pasting from certian blog) fatigue - while permitting local move and response without much use of mentioned variable (but still using it a bit).

This would also open interesting options - structures to help with amount and/or recovery. Or even better - instead of rigid constellation level - make it dependent on said structures (with exponentially growin costs of some kind after some point). Hell, existing jumpbridges could be reworked to encompass it.

Then we have two other cancers to address - jumpclones and reinforce timers. In a way I'm curious what CPP will(?) do with those.

so now that you nerf mobility of caps i expect to greatly buff their stats right?

or you want to suicide your game?

caps are a great carrot on the stick for players to chase. useles caps = dead eve soon. i hope you think this right.

Fire Frenzy. You are exactly right, problem is to an extent so is Enachel.
CCP have for years used large capital fights to draw in new players.
Many start playing Eve because all over the web it shows you -The bigger the ship the bigger the fight - CCP actually promoted advertising on this concept.
Problem is, CCP went with the free, player generated, large capital fight, advertising in full knowledge they would have to nerf capital warfare.

CCP built Eve on the concept it was a free to do as you please, play as you like game.
Reality is, it is no longer a giant sandbox as advertised, the sandbox is being slowly eroded away as devs add more and more restrictions to play styles.
CCP lost control of the game and are now trying to salvage the resulting mess with nerfs and restrictions on active game play.
As I said in an earlier post, I hope all the blingy effects being added (in place of content) are enough to draw new players because with less and less content coming with each new update, the bling will soon be all that is left. (as long as you have a $4,000 monitor to see it at its best)


FireFrenzy, unlike you I have sold all but one of my capitals (a carrier to move the last of my ships to empire before the account expires) and the pilots who flew them sold or inactive.
About a month after starting Eve I saw my first titan (a Ragnarok) I decided then i wanted to be a capital pilot and proceeded to build characters for that role. Then the hammer swung, just as my Rag pilot (now next to useless as the Rag is the only thing it can fly) hit max skills. Even if i were to sell the character I would lose, as it is now worth less than half what it cost to train.


NB; If capitals and titans in particular weren't meant to be cost effective and obtainable by anyone who wanted one, CCP could have made them much less desirable and harder to get in ways other than nerfing them out of active game play.
Doubling or tripling mineral requirements, increasing skill training times, increasing skill book costs, just to name a few ways. Instead they chose to pretty much, steal game play, time spent training and money from those who have invested heavily in capital warfare. What was the B-R estimate? $3,500 to $4,000 US for each titan lost, most of which were replaced, many with large plex purchases.

Sorry but nulsec is still just 2 or 3 major blocks. (only 2 really, the others switch sides depending on what the objective is)
The only "content" is timers or shooting the same few npc dwellers in neighbouring systems over and over. I salute those npc guys, they are the ONLY reason I still login.

I recently gave away more ships and other items than most people in TQ will ever own. Selling characters for less than half their value, simply because I have no use for them or the isk and at least someone else MAY get some pleasure from them in the future. (NB; to all those aspiring young capital pilots, ONLY friends get to purchase my characters, so don't bother asking)

If Empire had anything new and exciting to add to my game play I would be there. Nulsec is restricted to a few large groups who are all aligned with each other in one way or another (even traditional enemies have "don't fight here" agreements). Lowsec is about the only place where there is sort of decent pvp, as long as you don't mind spending days or even weeks with little else to do than sit on a gate camp in a small fleet popping single players as they jump in (being part of a "fleet" that can kill a lone badger is "awesome" - sarcasm intended).

Yes I believe you are right - Eve players are too good at Eve and Devs realized way too late that it was killing the game.
This has left us with the current situation, where there is just very limited sandbox activity in a sandbox game.
Nulsec in particular you have few choices, you are either in one of the few large groups and spend your time in 200+ man fleets (boring as watching paint dry) or you are in a small group getting the crap kicked out of you every second day by one of the large groups.
Nerfing capitals, fatigue and sov changes aren't going to change the fact CCP is leaving control of Sov Nulsec to a few large groups. You want to do "sovnul" you join one of the few controlling groups. I don't mean a corp or alliance, they mean little in sovnul, if they are not aligned with one of the big 3.


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PS; Some just write me off as a bittervet who should find another game. I may be just that but I also know there could be much more to Eve than it is, which is why I try to make my voice heard. I thought about running for CSM but as I'm not "a popular kid" realized early in the piece I would be wasting my time (plus the alliance had its own voting criteria, sanctioned and published by the coalition it belongs to)