Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"rapid deployment" is anything that goes faster than now, right now, we STILL have power projection issues with how certain people are able to organize and still move long distances with little drawbacks in a short amount of time. adding in another mechanic only benefits them more.

so this idea is getting a big negative, sorry.

(also, why even both arguing for it? Fluffers already broke it down, and hes as bad as Tippia stopping by to drop the Nope-hammer)

Just to repeat a point I made, that nobody has replied to:

Would it hurt power projection any more, if fast warp travel was tied to frequent refuelling? I mean, if large fleets needed access to stations or dedicated fuel-tanker-ships every few jumps (larger ships more often, smaller ones less so), steamrolling people would not be possible anymore, or would it?

On the other hand in a high-sec/low-sec environment docking up for refuelling is just a matter of fuel availability at every station along the way. Therefore I would hope that people (with limited skill points and/or resources!!!), who just want to fleet up fast with their buddies, who happen to be 15 jumps away, could have a way to accomplish that, without unleashing the big bad blob aficionados.

I just thought the idea of ships using fuel and having a fuel logistic chain would give a certain simulation element to the game, making it feel more "real"...

Warp speed tweaks is just one possibility. I can think of other things working in similar directions:

• Remove/reduce standing requirements for clone jumps.
• Make autopilot slightly faster or on par with manual travel, but remove access to overview and D-scan while on autopilot, plus disabling the autopilot will only work after the next stargate jump.
• Ship relocation service: Move (teleport) a docked ship to another station you could dock at (or to a corp office) with a cooldown period between 7 and 21 days dependent on ship size.
• Public NPC jump portals?
• ???

No I'm not in charge of the big picture, do I need to be a big boss, to make suggestions or take part in a discussion?
Seriously though, I think I'm getting your point at last, please correct me if I'm wrong: So your point about power projection is not about the time it takes to move an assembled fleet from A to B but the total time it takes for all participating players from their preferred Ratting/Ano/Whatever home system C via A to the final battle destination B. Correct?


Yeah well, I have to both agree and disagree with you on this one.
Sure, in terms of power projection and market mechanics travel time solves a lot of problems, or even creates the stuff, that EVE is famous for.

But on the other hand EVE is still a social game and socializing is based on the ability to casually get together and DO STUFF. EVEs main target group is at an age, where leisure time esp. during weekdays is becoming an ever more sparse commodity. Therefore I think, that making people deliberately wait for the fun stuff is inherently and terribly bad game design. It might be realistic and it might enable a whole bunch of realistic patterns and causalities, but it is still bad in terms of fulfilling the primary role of a game, which is to provide a good time.

In fact all RL friends, that I introduced to EVE and that did not follow through (all people with serious MMO/gaming interests), mainly quit because it took them too long to get to the places where they could do stuff, or to the people with whom they wanted to do the fun stuff. In addition I have another considerable group of RL aquaintances, who play EVE as well, but are stretched out so far across new eden in different corps/alliances that it has deterred us ever since from spontaneously x'ing up and playing together for an evening. Especially the last part is just incredibly sad and a terrible waste of possible social interaction.

So the longer I think about it, the more I think the whole reason for this big clash of opinions is rooted in different goals: My goal is to come online and have some fun with friends as fast and easy as possible. The people who govern large alliances on the other hand, they mean serious space business. Fixed, immovable constraints are the only things keeping those guys from bringing down bigger, badder, faster Ooomph onto weaker opponents... So I think my proposal might just be too general to be able to satisfy all play styles.

Sadly this seems like a hard dilemma to me... On the one hand, no true EVE fan (me included) wants some instant action arena/battleground stuff in our game. On the other hand it seems very odd to design an online game, that imposes serious restrictions on the social interaction between players, when the whole upside of online games is supposed to be unfettered social interaction.

Mechanically speaking, there is no difference those two things. They are one and the same.