Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not really, no. It creates problems for people who are require perfect intel to even begin to make informed decisions, but they should have more problems than they're already having, so that just generates proper balance.
Nothing. That's why they already exist and why cloaks come with then built in.
The alternative is to be prepared, to be observant, and have the counters at the ready. Knowing where and when something will appear is not required in order to counter something (in fact, if you know that, you don't even need a counter — and that's the whole problem here).

Why is the idea of running silent but teethless/vulnerable "breaking wormholes"? You'd use that during the intel gathering phase, or during the buildup of forces before a fight. You'd go out of that mode right before engaging. vOv

Like you seem to have any clue whatsoever as to how your changes will **** over nullsec?


Funny. Last videos I've seen of actual proper WH warfare (as opposed to just cheap ganks) involved carriers and bhaalgorns etc. No cloaky ships in the actual attack, I've no idea what they used to actually scan out the wormholes. Presumably some cloaky ship which isn't expected to run into any form of combat.

If they're hunting, chances are they'll be using probes, which can be seen on scans. If you're looking at 100+, the time for subtlety is over. If you're looking at hole control, all you're looking at is increasing the haul.

And for this, you're proposing something that'll **** over nullsec. That's balanced.

I like this,

status quo is fine with me also, just dont break my wormhole.

and ye.. u generally don't want to throw probes out for people to see when u are trying to kill them :)

Maybe then again, maybe wormholes would have 50% of the pvp that low sec has instead of 1/3 the pvp they currently have.




The killmails I see in wormholes are almost all just ganks. But I admit what I see is anecdotal. However what I see of killmails tends to support that the gank to gf ratio in wh is much higher than in low sec.

Moreover when I look at killboards of those who pvp in wormholes I find fewer kills than for those who pvp in null sec and low sec. I think people in wormholes think they are getting plenty of pvp but their notion of how much pvp is “plenty” is very different from those in low sec and null sec.
We, of course, *do* know that there is very little pvp per character in wh compared to low sec and null sec.

I can say if ccp makes changes so it takes 3xs longer to find a fight in low sec I will unsub. They need to make pvp easier to find not harder.

On the gank versus gf ration - It would be interesting to see how many solo fights there are in wh compared to low sec where both sides have a point fit. (that is not just ganking a pve ship or industrial) I would bet there are many more in low sec than wormholes. But if I were to find there are more per character in wormholes I would admit I am mistaken.

I admit that may not be the perfect statistic to use. But I think it would be a decent indicator. Moreover it might actually be something we could get.

Making it better is the opposite of a nerf.

So let's see where this has gone. You got tired of the AFK cloak whine threads, so you made this thread where you basically killed living in nullsec. When someone tries to make it less of a suckfest to live with, it's a nerf to wormhole space and is suddenly not worth having. And when I try to make your suckfest of an idea worthwhile in both environments, I'm suddenly some sort of botter.

And now we're arguing the meaning of the word "nerf".

How many of these that like this idea of yours are carebears, and how many are ~elite roam PVP~ guys?

And how, exactly, do you propose to call your idea anything but a nerf to living in nullsec?

And by "adds a little danger" you mean "makes it much more of a grind to keep a system even half as safe", then sure, it "adds a little danger". It's a one-sided buff to cloaked gangs, and you know it.