Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Look. You are in lowsec. The reason why you want to open fire on the other person is because you think the other person doesn't care about their sec status and will preemptively open fire you anyway.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Both of you risk a sec status hit by aggressing first. Joining Factional Warfare is not some kind of safe haven for getting shot in lowsec.

This is a discussion about FW objectives, not low sec. Incidentally, this takes place in lowsec. Low sec is not entirely comprised of FW systems and FW does not always take place in low sec, with hostilities in null and high sec as well. As a neutral, you are entering, by choice, into militia compound. Being a neutral, you think you should keep some kind of anonymity while entering or wandering around military infrastructure? Now you are just being silly. You guys really want to make RL examples that are inconsistent to RL procedures within a CZ.

Once again, OP is not suggesting neutrals be prohibited from entering plexes, only that they be flagged accordingly so there is no penalty to what is obviously hostile intent.

That place is called nullsec. You get null security status hit for starting a fight.

Paranoid, dear,
you know you get paid for collecting those tags in the very space you they are active in.

Revelation for faction warfare people of the day:

Those tags are hidden in cargohold of ships you get paid to shoot down but they hide in a place called asteroid belt.

Just make FW plexes little pockets of nullsec. CONCORD shouldn't be interested if no faction can claim sovereignty

This is raw combat footage of Americans engaging Extremist forces. Note, they can see these guys have a rocket launcher. You know what they use to shoot down our choppers? Rocket launchers. If they're spotted before engaging, and fired upon, their lives could end. But they still wait for the green light from command before firing at them.

WARNING: People die in this video. Don't watch if you aren't prepared for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUl8FSupa-g

This is how real war works. If you want to play soldier, that's fine. But just because you don't like how war works, don't muck it up for people who enjoy playing war.

At around the 6:00 mark, they find an anti-air truck, which appears to be engaging friendly air craft. Someone a little earlier mentions that they engaged a truck that that had actually shot at them. The guys watching this truck wait until they have the green light before they shoot it, even though they can see it firing at someone, presumably allies.

It's an excellent example of why what you want is a bad idea. What if that person isn't hostile? What if they'e actually an ally? Maybe they're just exploring, or lost, or running from a pirate. It's likely they're a pirate themselves, but at that point, let them take the security status hit, and be prepared to return fire.

In real life, when armies begin indiscriminately attacking anything they don't immediately recognize as friendly, the world responds very negatively. Remember, you're there as a representative of a nation, not just as yourself.

Would the suspect timer only begin countdown once you left a FW complex then?

Not a bad idea, this one.

interesting. I watched it and i still dont want EVE to reflect the real world or in any way come close to it just to be closer to it. Also there is some problem with the comparison: amongst other things there is: there are no reporters or civilians inside a plex inside this game. if there would be, they would be cloaked. impossible in real life atm. ....

I still go with that until another better fix is implemented and realised into the game, there should be suspect flag on activating ANY acceleration gate.
=> incursion more fun & lvl4 mission more fun & highsec less safe => more content and population in other areas of space.
That is a uniform rule.

But on the long run i would not like it, as it does not push people out of highsec vicinity. If there would be a market mechanic involved in the availability of highsec/any missions and therefor everyone has to speedrun them against each other, that would be nicer. competition spreads population, right? (then we can rate truesec on the number of security missions/anomalies run there for more flexible and interesting map)
and then id like to scale sec hits with truesec. (1.0 same as now. 0.8 only 80% and 0.3 only 30% and so on.)
but until then: suspect as quickfix.

In EVE however its simple: Unfuck your overview . and set those standings. also better shoot if unsure, its no permadeath and noone is watching, that can fire me. with advanced aliance diplomacy it might get interesting, but we are talking about basic FW here, right?


doesnt apply. isnt a consequence of my last statement.
You push this discussion somewhat offtopic. offtopic = tell someone to not play if he not like it.
i want to improve what is good and has potential to be even greater.
my credo: gameplay and fun is more important then realism. (i.e. physix of spaceflight in eve)
=> what mechanic gets us the most out of it? i believe its getting more players to come to lowsec and be shootable. by suspect flags or by making highsec bad etc.
But realy: let players take the sec hit! let them grow up!.
Suspect flag in plexes will be a bad change in the long future and only good immediatly, although id like it. especialy if there would be lesser incentive to leave highsec forever.