EVE General Discussion

I think OP wants a rank system. It's a good idea imo, it would send the killboard-motivated into overdrive. I don't know how well that will translate into their personal lives, as you can only be awake for 24 hours a day as it is.

They still don't understand it.

I'd rather remove the bloody killboards all together , done nothing more then make people/alliances aim for ''riskfree'' pvp .The only thing i do when i check someones killstats is press the solo tab and all of a sudden those 1000+kills over the last year become 2 kills like an ibis and a pod .Especially those who cry the loudest about how high-sec carebears are risk-averse.


Killboardstats means absolutely nothing in regards to how good someone is at pvp and especially not at how much risk they dare to take in pvp .

pay out the whole thing to the final blow.

Yup , the question is do you want a kill to show off to your friends how awsome you are or do you just want a kill so that your opponent ''suffered a loss''.If it isn't for e-peening then what would a killmail contribute?I've allways done pvp to kick the opponent on the ground , and in a lot of cases he burried me in the ground.

Killmails only have a negative impact on pvp.



Edit : I just looked at your killboard.I find it quite odd/funny that you with a totally **** killboard stat - total off 95 M kills and 20.8% eff - is opposed to removing killmails while i have a ''more then decent'' killboardstat -total 1.32 T kills 97.5% eff - yet would like to see them removed.It puzzles me why you would be opposed to their removal unless that is not your main character and even then .But then you might be puzzled why i would like them to be removed .

Pencil me in on this one. KBs ruin PVP more than carebears do. I've scattered whole camps solo because of their fear of lowering efficiency.

No KB = more PVP, in my opinion.

Mr Epeen

Meh if people want to judge themselves or others on a KB thats their business. More metrics, yes. But to say the KB is a problem?

There are the players that are too risk averse b/c of the killboard, but for everyone one of them there is another who thinks hes invulnerable because he can camp a gate. That and the wanting to grind up KB statistics leads to more PVP overall. Killboard good.

I have fun the way I have fun. You, I assume, do the same. I don't come around telling you how YOU should have fun.
I'd appreciate the same from you, but I somehow get the idea you think it's perfectly fine to step all over my backyard.
(I keep large dogs; one of my "fun" things to do.)

Oh yes. The OP. These self-same fools have to have a "lookit me!" device. Hence, killboards.

Kill boards are fine. Getting rid of them just means that they will move to 3rd party kill tracking anyway. People that are all efficiency whatever will be that way no matter what.

Killboards do leak a massive amount of intel, but its the same for everyone. When we are scouting, i don't look at kill/death ratio or anything like that. I look at the specific details of the kills. Is this a F1 monkey? Or perhaps its the slightly more advanced orbit F1 monkey. Not to be outdone by the worst PvP of all, the assign drones monkey. Do they have friends/alts links etc. You can work this out pretty quickly from the killboard.

A killboard with a fairly consistent smattering of deaths will be a far more deadly foe, and often a lot more fun to fight with.

As for ranking. Well the ONLY rank that would make any sense with internet space pixels would be fun. Who has had the most fun!

Well said. Elite F1 orbit monkey checking in. Killboards are a useful intel tool, but some of you seem to think efficiencies are impacting whether or not you will get fights in a way that is a bit baffling. Decent medium to large groups provide SRP and haze their own members on silly losses, but other than that it's something to laugh about. Otherwise alliances would disband everytime they suffer a major loss and their members would ragequit. Bads will be bads with or without killmails and killboards, and they'll probably still not take uneven odds even without a record of the fight. Depends if they are fighting for a strat op or for the sake of it. Small gang and soloers have more opportunity than at any point I've known ingame to mess with small, cheap ships for fun or training.

Killboards and epeen aren't the only factors when people won't take a fight. It doesn't signify cowardice or risk aversion to back down from fights you know you won't win or won't enjoy - unless you're the type who thinks everyone should just charge in blindly, because you do. You don't get to dictate what someone else finds fun. If you are daft enough to blob a smaller group or take an overpowered comp against someone, it's your own fault if they give you the finger then leg it. Whinging on the forums about how risk averse 'everyone' is because of killboards just shows who the tools are. Do you actually think removing killmails and killboards will make 'everyone' suddenly charge into fights with their pants on their head? Really all the KB whines amount to is chestbeating from bads about how brave you are in comparison to everyone else, which is an obvious lie if you're whining on a forum.

@ OP anyway, I'd love to see more stats on kbs.I've noticed some players ignore newssites altogether but can read killboards in a fairly sophisticated way even as they are. I don't think GD is the correct forum to demand changes given these are 3rd party tools created by players who, in all fairness, get a lot of stick from players for what looks to be a fairly thankless task. Not sure if zkill/evekill has it's own forum for suggestions but battleclinic has recently revamped theirs so perhaps they are looking at it. EvEMon does afaik. The tech lab subforum has a few codemonkeys floating around, so maybe it's worth sticking a topic up in there to request kb features rather than have this topic derailed.