Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think they are much too good. They should be restricted. Nothing can brawl them short of another t3. Only a ranged kiting frig with help can do it with the Svipul and Confessor. Soon the missile/rail t3's will come and nothing will work. Threy are the equivalent of a tanky Garmur or a Worm with a high rack weapon bonus in a Novice.

/me hides his daredevil

Would it not make sense, for a Dessie, whose sole purpose, frigate killing, be able to kill a frigate? T1 Dessies can kill T1 Frigs, T2 Dessies can sometimes kill T2 Assault frigates.

A T3 Dessie, should have it's way with a AF in my opinion.


Unless you are just wanting them out the FW plex. Then yeaaaah, probably a good idea. Or just try Dessie lvl 5 and get a T3 Dessie of your own. =P

-1 for the ignorance of the OP in not realizing that ship with 6+ guns will be OP vs T1 frig hulls as they deserved to get destroyed, more so when the fact that advanced ships can call the shots by improving armor, speed, and maneuverability at will. T3 destroyers as is are showing a trend of having 9 guns in damage assuming you are max skilled after all bonuses, so yes.....they will destroy your complex running frigates. Cannot see a reason to restrict them from complexes in FW, since they are basically a pirate ship when you think about it , CCP is probably trying to get you out from running your cheap ships and fly something that will actually affect the market while at the same time it will compete with the other guy who is flying another T3 destroyer .

Reason that T1 destroyers are the preferred ganker choice of weapon, applying damage quickly at low cost, and they where not really changed (still lol at the fact that barges get buffed but its next to useless as 2-3 destroyers still can do it if you have the ability to community and form partnerships)....the fact that it can increase it hitpoints and speed allowing it to run if need be escape...not an exploit, go run complexes in something other than fodder ships.

calling it: the ability to randomly change on the fly the next "exploit" when someone starts to whine how OP T3 destroyers will be on the forum with whine tears of losses in a few months and they will be as unbeatable as Titans with XL guns in the past, Assigning Drones with a Carrier off grid, and Ishtars while all using in game mechanics (requiring CCP to step in to nerf them, Ishtar will probably get its due soon cause of tears and fears of losses by whiners ). Remember....they where all just using actual in game mechanics; XL guns tracking did insane damage with just a graze, Assigning drones has been since for ever, and will Ishtar isn't the problem, just all the new modules affect drones that didn't exist but buff similar to grid boosting (in the case of carriers) but that ishtars are so versatile and carry so many drones. No actual exploits and bugs unlike that Monkeysphere tool not showing up in local until he attacked (from years back).

I almost killed a Confessor in an Assault Frigate today. True story. Then it got away in 10% structure.

Tech 3 Dessies are far from "invincible." Except when people roam around in fleets of them. But then... that is true for any ship in sufficient numbers.

I killed one of them on Monday and then his buddy came in a Cerberus and I killed him too.

They are far from unbeatable but keep in mind that they are supposed to be frigate hunter-killers and they can jump into a small gang of them and come out ahead.

It was a good idea, to give them a field to test them out.

This post I probably should have posted under the ships and modules thread.

Anyone who suggests I stop qq by shipping into the very topic of this discussion should gtfo. Such an opinion is loses credibility and offers nothing to the balance discussion. I've tried TD with another dessie, AB fit, close orbit. I was not fast enough, and I doubt he would have missed me were I mwd fit. Confessor has good cap, hard to cap him out before he kills you. A long range fit with a web will murder any small brawl ship. They are really fast and bounce you around in speed mode if you kite them. I'm not saying Nerf them, just realize that they are too OP for Smalls when the only T1 hull response to a fleet of them is a cruiser. Why would I ever purposely lose ships to them to make a point?

The same could be said about a pvp solo t3 cruiser. How prominent they are with solo roaming should be a testament to how confident pilots are with this ship, another clear indication that these t3dessies are very oppressive in small plexes.

So pay attention to dscan, warp out when you see one, then come back with backup and kill them. Seems pretty balanced to me for the fact you're dealing with a t3.

Because it still enforces that artificial balance you were talking about. Sure the d3s are powerful, but they're not as OP as you think. The fact that they fall easily to a small handful of t1 frigates is proof, of this.

Edit: actually, the svipul my corpmates killed last night was done by an enyo, a tristan, and a fed navy comet. All three ships easily allowed into a small site. They took it out while his buddy in a garmur was busy killing me.