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got scammed out of plex :(

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Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-02-27 04:01:11 UTC
What bug if you dont mind me asking? because from what you said in your first post.. That wasnt a bug..

"anyway short story wanted to sell plex,as hadnt enough isk to put it on the market order,person agreed to buy and last second removed one 0 from total amount resulting in over 700mill loss"

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pinkiaiiiLT pinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-02-27 04:11:19 UTC
Doesnt matter, smart though. Ill give my stuff to you once this is over.
Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#43 - 2015-02-27 04:12:35 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Doesnt matter, smart though. Ill give my stuff to you once this is over.


Okay.. I am lost.. But i wont say no to free stuff, i am only new to this game myself :)

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Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#44 - 2015-02-27 04:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
the trade


The problem.
And yes you are.

EDIT: And I read through all those posts. Obviously the OP doesn't understand, or doesn't want to understand that scamming is - in 99 cases out of 100 - perfectly legal in this game (this was one of the 99). By playing Eve you accept that this is a common and perfectly valid in game. If you don't like the rules of the sandbox (anything goes) then don't play in the sandbox. Crying and making a fool of yourself on the forums will not help your case.

/Chal - one time buyer of a 1 million ISK shuttle ...
vccv
#45 - 2015-02-27 06:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: vccv
Dont give up. EVE can be harsh, but youll find that it is part of the appeal. Not everyone is a scammer and you will see that these risks are just a factor that we deal with and pride ourselves on avoiding. Find a good gang or corp and youll get more help from them in these instances than you would from a support ticket. Join some ratting or mining ops and get that isk flowing again!

Sorry for your loss. The game is a gem though, and if it appealed to you at all before this, just recognize that it is a component of its complexity and that you can still have a long and fun career in it. You just had one of the tougher lessons to start out. Another one is; Dont buy 50 of them and go flying around with them in your cargo hold to be blown up. At least you werent that guy! There are loads of players who will buy multiple plex just to get/fit a ship only to lose it within a day. (Mainly because they dont know how or care to make real isk). 1 plex isnt much. "...that sting..thats pride ******* with ya". Dont quit. Keep pushing forward!!
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#46 - 2015-02-27 08:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Typing on the tablet, thats why I have to correct it.the rest I see is, exploit was used on me, easy fix really, but not giving crap and making it right is crime to say the least.

They have fixed what you are complaining about specifically because they do care that people get scammed from UI confusion. You can't even remove items from a trade window anymore for this reason.

For a trade to go through both parties must click accept. When you click accept a green checkmark appears next to your name. If anything at all within the trade is adjusted the accept is reset.

This means if you clicked accept first and he adjusted the trade after, you would have had to click it again to be scammed. If he clicked accept first you simply accepted a trade with the wrong ISK value. There is no exploit here.

You also could have asked him to make the contract instead of using the trade system. Always research your options.

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voetius
Grundrisse
#47 - 2015-02-27 09:15:28 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Typing on the tablet, thats why I have to correct it.the rest I see is, exploit was used on me, easy fix really, but not giving crap and making it right is crime to say the least.

They have fixed what you are complaining about specifically because they do care that people get scammed from UI confusion. You can't even remove items from a trade window anymore for this reason.

For a trade to go through both parties must click accept. When you click accept a green checkmark appears next to your name. If anything at all within the trade is adjusted the accept is reset.

This means if you clicked accept first and he adjusted the trade after, you would have had to click it again to be scammed. If he clicked accept first you simply accepted a trade with the wrong ISK value. There is no exploit here.

You also could have asked him to make the contract instead of using the trade system. Always research your options.


Basically this. Like Tau and others I would say never to use a trade window unless you know and trust the person.

What you should have done is find someone who would buy it at Jita buy price and get them to make a private item exchange WTB contract. They can even link that in local or any chat channel without other people being able to access the contract details, as long as it is a private contract. If linked in a public channel everyone can see the link but only the two parties to the contract can view the contract details. Then you check the details several times before accepting.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#48 - 2015-02-27 09:27:14 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
I didnt pay for experience but for actual game item, which due to exploits existing was lost

You paid with real money to get an ingame item and ccp gave you one. Then you gave it away for free to someone else because you where to stupid to do it right and now you are crying because of your own stupidness.
/thread
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#49 - 2015-02-27 09:35:21 UTC
The main problem is that most newbies come to EVE with a certain set of expectations, ideas and experience. EVE is NOTHING like most other MMOs and because of that almost everyone will have an encounter like this: could be a scam, a wardec, perhaps a gank. Everyone will at some point have a "holy crap what just happened" moment and then there's 3 options: quit, adapt or whine.

EVE's a harsh mistress.
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
#50 - 2015-02-27 10:30:54 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Werified bug thx for that, will be usefull.targets dont care, got nothing to lose.

There was no bug.
"and last second removed one 0 from total amount resulting in over 700mill loss.". You pressed accept with the offer of 80mil. Just because he was faster than you could realize doesn't make it a bug.
CCP did their part of this situation. You bought a PLEX with real money, and you got it. What you do with that PLEX after that is way outside of CCPs carecup. The game is a sandbox, not a themepark where everything is safe.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#51 - 2015-02-27 10:41:39 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Doesnt matter, smart though. Ill give my stuff to you once this is over.


its only 700mil think of the guys who lose 35-100bil worth of ships in 1 fight, mark it off as experience and move on and make more profit

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-02-27 12:15:48 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
anyway short story wanted to sell plex,as hadnt enough isk to put it on the market order,person agreed to buy and last second removed one 0 from total amount resulting in over 700mill loss.

Basically submitted ticket-but looking for answer will mods be able to reverse the trade,or am i Fckd both ways here.


You are ******.


Rule 2 of EVE:

Don't trust anybody.



It's that simple.
Scamming is legal in EVE (as long as it stays in EVE).
So, you're SOL.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-02-27 12:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
i wouldnt feel bad if it wasnt item bought for real cash,i know the drill of selling on the market,but as said 3 mill in account couldnt afford to make contract,and isk needed was enough to buy plex back after a day or two,of exploring sites.

and even thou it shows im 7 months old im just back to the game after half year being off before played 3 months.

But if its seen as normal game action where admins wont even bother to reverse such transfer as its black on white scam,then i guess its boohoo on me.


A private contract to the buyer cost 10.000 ISK.

You had MORE then enough to make a secure private contract, you failed doing that and fell for an legal scam using the trade window.

Stop whining, continue playing OR stop whining and stop playing.

Those are your 2 options. The 3rd (sympathy + reimbursement from CCP) won't happen.


p.s.

The moment you redeem a PLEX, it becomes a general in game item. It doesn't matter if you paid for it with RL money.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-02-27 12:21:06 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
basically been shown middle finger by ccp gm,since its games core scamming and any other activity to rip off players.


*cough*


As all the people already tried to explain to you.

Your own damn fault = You bare the consequences.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-02-27 12:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
basically been shown middle finger by ccp gm,since its games core scamming and any other activity to rip off players.



GMs are there to preserve the integrity of the sandbox, not to protect you from doing stupid things.


And yet they are well aware of such loopholes,and have 0 tolerance towards fixing them,since they dont incur any real cash value losses.


HAHAHAHAHA


It is not a loophole

Scamming in EVE is legal.


Exploiting bugs isn't.
RMT isn't.

Scamming you out of ISK or an in game item...perfectly fine.



7 months in the game, I thought you would have known the basic golden rules of EVE + know what is allowed and isn't.
But, instead, you remain clueless and blame an error you made on the game...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-02-27 12:25:27 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Dont see it stating on their front page that real cash losses are part of it-i suggest read some law governing this-since every corporation be it trading gambling,virtual-that accepts cash for services states,the risks of real money losses,dont see anyway ccp getting such exception,it might be a sandbox but they have full control over it,and thus making 0 effort to do right,isnt part of game i signed up for.


Cause it isn't real cash.

You used real cash to buy a PLEX.
Once redeemed, it becomes a general item in game...with the same rules.

P.s. THAT is stated when you redeem a PLEX...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2015-02-27 12:31:25 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Why should a GM rectify a mistake you yourself made because you didn't pay enough attention?

Because they allow it, and encourage it themselves.You can save the crap game being sandbox, since developers are fully aware ofall the bugs and loopholes to encourage such activity.Since I lost an item that was paid in real cash, I didnt pay for experience but for actual game item, which due to exploits existing was lost.and saying gms cant do anything is making fools of yourself since they can control game in any way they want, there are loogs for each action made date stamped, and every user can be checked for every move they made.only rules are made up only those that favor ccp, and 0 tolerance towards customers are implemented to resolve such issues/or fix them.


Next thing:

Pinky demands ALL his losses etc replaced.
And free ammo for his ships.
And reimbursements on ISK-sinks liek broker's fees.

Why, cause he pays CCP monthly, so they can't steal his money from them.





ooh this will end well for this person.

I normally won't say it often, but for Pinky, Hello Kitty Online sounds a much more suitable game for you.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-02-27 12:34:44 UTC
Eli Sariah wrote:
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
So because eve doesnt like people selling isk/items in real world its bad because it hurts them, bit untill you but stuff of them they are more then happy to take your real cash-and allow ppl to get scewed ingame since it doesnt affect them.as far as favourite players go, its isk and cash to them thats being lost, not cash out of their pockets.



Firstly, learn to spell and check what you write before you hit enter, you write worse then my god daughter..

Secondally, they didn't let you get scammed, YOU let that happen, cause youryou're an idiot, and you keep proving that by going on like an idiot, dude, YOU are the reason YOU got scammed, you proved that plain and simple in your post, CCP isnt here to hold you hand, it is a normal mechanic of the game, a common one, grow up man, seriously, it is getting pathetic,just learn to be a man and grow up, learn from your mistakes, just live an let die for Christs sake


Comments spelling, makes basic grammar error himself.

Laughter garuanteed.



But he still has a point.


CCP didn't let you get scammed, YOU did it yourself.

If you used private contracts, you would have been fine.
If you DOUBLE CHECKED the value, you would have been fine (a missing digit is EASY to spot).

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2015-02-27 12:36:15 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
Typing on the tablet, thats why I have to correct it.the rest I see is, exploit was used on me, easy fix really, but not giving crap and making it right is crime to say the least.


Bye bye.

Can I have the little bit of stuff you ahve left?


As it's obvious:

* You are too dumb to learn from your mistakes.
* You are too stubborn to see that what happend was legal.
* You are the clear example of that person who always blames others for his own faults.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#60 - 2015-02-27 12:37:05 UTC
Holy sperg.