EVE General Discussion

The problem is "standard CCP operating procedure" .

Step one: create a problem that sees an old mechanic that no one complained about become massively overpower in a narrow set of circumstances.

Step 2: Nerf the old mechanic but leave the new stuff THAT CREATED THE PROBLEM completely alone. Don't forget to use a jackhammer to nerf something that only requires a scalpel.

They did it when they nerfed fighter scan res because a few people abused a bug (while not even touching the faulty mechanic/bug), and it's happening again. Not the end of the world, but it's damn annoying to see it happen again and again.

First legit argument I've seen against the changes, I hope you make your argument that well in the post when it goes live. You realise you will be drowned out by all the ouin ouin from those that only ever bought their carrier to rat though.

Perhaps it's best we bear in mind with a game this complex, and players this - zealous? - CCP will never be able to see all ends, and we can't see the code that needs reworking to fix it, nor the number of petitions generated etc etc.

My experience with CCP is that they won't listen, by the time they announce a change they've made their mind up. Their game so all good. But you'd think they'd know better by now, taking away fighters ability to warp is going to mean less carrier ratters (some still will, hell I carrier rat sometimes with sentries and an inertia stab fit) and carrier ratters getting caught is the beginning of much hilarious content.

It's like CCP doesn't know how their game 'fits' together.

If this is at all related to Drifters, I'm much rather see a different mechanic added to Drifters over just no more warping around.. Like, say, Drifters can seize control of Fighters/Bombers :) Or will aggres and one shot fighters on sight :)


Personally I'm torn on it..The idea of Carriers launching fighters that can be assigned to a Frig and off to fight whatever is a little broken... Maybe some other changes could be, once they are beyond a Carriers control range, ALL Bonuses/SP that affects them is removed. So no bonus from the hull, no DDA's, no Fighters V, making them far weaker and less OP..

As for assign.. Maybe I donno.. one thought I had was make only some ships ABLE to use assigned drones. Like a role bonus, or as a module? Mod could be like polarized weapons, when enabled sets resists to 0? Or make only specific ships able to control them as a role bonus. That was you know what ship(s) to primary if you see a boatload of fighters and no carriers/supers?


For the people complaining about SP.. HTFU. CCP has always said as long as you benefited from it before they won't give you back SP, not since Learning Skills were nuked. So we didn't get wasted SP back on things like Orca change (remind me, why did I need Mining Barge V?), or every other time they have nerfed a ship.. You got to use it for a while, or otherwise know that ships get changed..

well done... 2 years of skilling for a useless ship...
just reduced my ratting income by 65%

and you just forced all carriers back to using sentry drones (thought you were trying to avoid this one?)

Actually it has happened... But good try sounding smart.

People have been telling CCP fix caps or reimburse, instead they chose nerf again so it's even more useless. That doesn't sound right to players that spent a long time training for them, even longer now, back in early eve caps skills weren't so intensive.

Also, bullshit nerf like this is insulting to players. Want to do it right?
Remove all assist/guard for any drones/fighters from any ship.
Remove fighter MWD.
Remove all off grid boosting.

Now we talking... Give carrier/supercarrier an agilit boost to off-set the nerf.

This is true, asking for SP back is a waste of time.

Triage carriers will still be a thing, and lowsec PVP will remain a cesspool of gotcha game mechanic shenanigans. Outside of lowsec, triage carriers are still beast. Even if they only had ONE of their current capabilities of Triage, Drones, and Jump Drive, I still think they're underpriced.

Their role of bailing out supercapitals is still valid. I'm not sorry to see any other capabilities of carriers get nerfed.

Get-tackle-and-undock-triage online

I'm getting tired of calling capital nerfs bullshit.

I'm gonna start labeling this game as such now.