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Ishtar 0.0 Gurista DED complex runner questions
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Cabriel Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-26 12:15:55 UTC
Hello everyone!

I have none/very little experience about complex running but I have serious greed doing ISK. I really dont have a clue what kind of ship/tank I need to clear those 6/10 -->

I searched forums and many sites, hoping to find good explanations and fits but the problem was I found too many fits and argument. So finally I toke one fit which looked good (in my eyes) and changed some modules if there was something I couldn't use. Last night I toke my ship and went to 0.0 to have a look. I use different fit to actually travel 0.0 and I have Interceptor alt checking route for me. Just using Mobile Depot and changing fit after I find something to do. I have analyzers with me too. Ended up getting this kind of fit.

[Ishtar, Plex runner]

Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

Co-Processor II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
3x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

5x Wasp II
5x Vespa EC-600
5x Wasp II
5x Vespa II
5x Hornet II

[Statistics - Cabriel Khan]

Effective HP: 88,897 (Eve: 11,997)
Tank Ability: 1,833.50 DPS (Guristas)
Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%)
Shield Resists - EM: 30.00%, Ex: 65.00%, Ki: 96.11%, Th: 80.78%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 83.75%, Th: 67.50%

Capacitor (Stable at 46.97%)
Capacitor (Lasts 1m 10s) (Remote repper on)

Volley Damage: 2,812.87
DPS: 703.22

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If I change AIF for 2nd LSE

Effective HP: 110,958 (Eve: 13,077)
Tank Ability: 1,536.89 DPS

Capacitor (Stable at 56.65%)
Capacitor (Lasts 1m 10s) (Remote repper on)

Which you think is safer more Effective HP or tank ability?

I did my very first 0.0 DED site yesterday called Pith's Penal Complex 8/10. It was super easy with this fit, only toke some time to actually clear everything. I immediately knew that I had huge? overtank but I really wanted to be sure not to loose my ship when learning. And I checked Dscan every 3 sec anytime there was people in system.

1. Id like to know how much tank I really need to clear all the from 6/10 to 10/10Gurista complexes. (just to avoid overtanking and have room for better modules.
2. Is there maybe room for AB or something ? I didn't find that it's needed at all because I just slow boated until I got everything killed.
3. If 8/10 was easy will 6- and 7/10 easier and what about 10/10 Maze?
4. I read that Maze initial room is quite heavy to tank is it better to use More effective HP there and less tank?

Troll me as much as you like I dont care, I just wanna learn! Lol
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#2 - 2015-02-26 13:34:26 UTC
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2. Is there maybe room for AB or something ? I didn't find that it's needed at all because I just slow boated until I got everything killed.

An Afterburner would help you mitigate a lot of damage espacially from the battlships. Their turrents have a hard time tracking you and their missiles will hit for lower damage, if you are moving faster and keep your transversal up.

If you had no problems in a 8/10, then everything below that should be easy, too. Can't speak for the Maze though.

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Cabriel Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-26 15:06:12 UTC
Any suggestions how to change my fit to be more optimized for what im doing ?
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#4 - 2015-02-26 16:04:58 UTC
Remove the LSE for an AB and replace the capacitor flux coil for a fourth DDA for starters. Get some sentry drones too, wardens and gardes. Personally, I would remove the AIF for a specific hardener as the specifics use less cap. Also just a personal flavor thing, but I would downgrade the SB and SBA to something less blingy just in case. I run most guristas' DED sites with a ~700-800 DPS tank and it's more than enough except for 10/10.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#5 - 2015-02-26 16:09:54 UTC
Another option, when going with sentries drop the AIF and SBA for omnidirectional tracking enhancers. That is in addition to replacing the LSE with an AB and the Flux cool for another DDA.
Cabriel Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-26 16:12:29 UTC
Thanks for the reply Aerie! So if 800ish tank is enough for anything else than 10/10 I have some room to do those changes you suggested. What about that Maze then ? Any idea how big tank is needed there for that initial room spank?
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#7 - 2015-02-26 16:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerie Evingod
One of the biggest problems with the maze and fleet staging point for solo work is there are stations that need to be destroyed. It can just be slow and tedious solo.

For the maze the Darwin torpedo does, and I haven't run one in a while, 100k kinetic damage (used to be EM) and the station webs from a good distance out in addition to a bunch of webbing towers meaning you cant speed tank it very well.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#8 - 2015-02-26 16:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
think you will struggle with 8/10's and 10/10's solo in an ishtar, serpentis 8/10's there are just too much dps in the last room to tank in an ishtar, only ever run 1 10/10 guristas and that was with 3 ishtars and logi

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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#9 - 2015-02-26 17:10:38 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
think you will struggle with 8/10's and 10/10's solo in an ishtar, serpentis 8/10's there are just too much dps in the last room to tank in an ishtar, only ever run 1 10/10 guristas and that was with 3 ishtars and logi


Gurista 8/10 isn't hard and is totally soloable in an ishtar. 10/10 requires aspecialized fit.
Cabriel Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-02-26 17:42:47 UTC
Yeah I did my first ever 0.0 plex guristas 8/10 with my current fit and it was easy. Now I made changes as Aerie suggested. Haven't done field test yet but here are the results what I got from fitting tool.

So first I removed LSE for AB and CO-processor for 4th DDA. Didn't have change to remove flux coil with my current skills. I didn't manage to get it stable without it. I didn't want to change my shiny rigs so I just ended keeping that flux coil.
I can later train afterburner V, Fuel Conservation V and Shield Compensation V to make it more stable without coil.

Results were nice! My old fit cost around 652m (because of huge overtank which I kinda knew and that's why I started this thread). Now the new fit is 284m or just 239m with normal probe launcher and probes!

It looks like this:

[Ishtar, Improved Plex Runner]

Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer

Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
10MN Afterburner II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier
Medium Shield Booster II

Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil
4x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

5x Wasp II
5x Vespa EC-600
5x Wasp II
5x Vespa II
5x Hornet II

[Statistics - Cabriel Khan]

Effective HP: 41,554 (Eve: 6,777)
Tank Ability: 828.80 DPS
Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%)
Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 95.30%, Th: 87.48%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 83.75%, Th: 67.50%

Capacitor (Stable at 36.54%)

Volley Damage: 2,995.93
DPS: 748.98

So 1,6 CPU left, that's why I use Dread Guristas hardeners and meta amplifier (dont have skills to use T2 Amplifier) and flux coil. DPS went up ~45 and tank went down about 1k to 800ish ;)

After trying to add those Omnidirectional Tracking link's for sentry fit I couldn't get 2 in without affecting tank too much. Ended up getting only one which looks like this.

[Ishtar, Plex runner sentrys]

Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer

Pith C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
10MN Afterburner II
Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Medium Shield Booster II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

'Basic' Capacitor Flux Coil
4x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

5x Vespa EC-600
5x Garde II
5x Warden II
5x Hornet II
5x Vespa II

[Statistics - Cabriel Khan]

Effective HP: 43,033 (Eve: 6,777)
Tank Ability: 689.30 DPS
Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%)
Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 95.54%, Th: 88.10%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 83.75%, Th: 67.50%

Capacitor (Stable at 29.88%)

Volley Damage: 2,330.17
DPS: 582.54

Again I needed to change some modules for this and ended having 2 CPU left :) DPS looks smaller in paper, not sure if it's real tho ? Garde gives 734 (14 lower than WASP II) and warden II only 582 but it has huge range. Link might raise my real dps too because better optimal etc.

And of course my tank is little better with my shiny AB now :) Sometimes frigates web me but those are fastly killed.

How these look now ?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-26 18:19:22 UTC