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Becomming Suspect on entering FW Complex

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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#1 - 2015-02-26 12:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Flash Thomson
Hello,

I want to suggest to flag Pilots, that enter FW Complexes without taking part in Faction Warfare, as criminals.

FW Complexes are sectors of military operations as such "civilians" have no reason to be there.
In most cases those "Civilians" will go on and attack the "military personal" on duty.
In order to stay alive it is often necessary to open fire first, which will not only flag the Pilot carrying out his duty as criminal but also lower his security rating.

This does not make sense in any way.



Best Regards


Flash Thomson


PS: I was not sure if this should be posted here or on Faction Warfare.

Tanking since 1982

Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on www.caldarinews.wordpress.com
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-26 12:47:04 UTC
Flash Thomson wrote:
Hello,

I want to suggest to flag Pilots, that enter FW Complexes without taking part in Faction Warfare, as criminals.

FW Complexes are sectors of military operations as such "civilians" have no reason to be there.
In most cases those "Civilians" will go on and attack the "military personal" on duty.
In order to stay alive it is often necessary to open fire first, which will not only flag the Pilot carrying out his duty as criminal but also lower his security rating.

This does not make sense in any way.



Best Regards


Flash Thomson


PS: I was not sure if this should be posted here or on Faction Warfare.



It shouldn't be posted anywhere because it is a bad idea. Even going with your example, civilians exsist in war zones and areas of conflict. Military members are not allowed to simply open fire without provocation.

Try and remember that FW plexes are there to provide PVP zones... Not to line your pockets with LP.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#3 - 2015-02-26 13:15:58 UTC
Hello,

I want to suggest an idea also. When players start up the game, a quick survey is presented to them, with just one question: do you prefer to pvp other players? If answered yes, the player should be permanently flagged as a criminal, in order to discourage this undesirable behavior. They would be able to retake the survey in one year. I think this would really help with EVE's griefer problem.

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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#4 - 2015-02-26 13:25:56 UTC
Quote:
It shouldn't be posted anywhere because it is a bad idea. Even going with your example, civilians exsist in war zones and areas of conflict. Military members are not allowed to simply open fire without provocation.

Try and remember that FW plexes are there to provide PVP zones... Not to line your pockets with LP.



Yes people live in Warzones, because the warzone moves to them. I don't think there are many examples of people actually moving to warzones if they don't intend to participate in one or the other way.

Please try to enter Area 51 or any other Base of military operation as a civilian, without permit and see what happens.
There is 0 reasons for a civilian to enter a Faction Warfare Complex.

Think of it as "Do not enter! Deadly Force Autherized" Area.

I am all for PvP, that is why I participate in Faction Warfare. But loosing security standing for defending my self against someone that has obviously come to cause trouble? Why? So he can rejoice while I have to run missions to make up for the sec loss?

I think a armed civilian entering a Faction Warfare Complex is probable cause for a preemptive strike!

Tanking since 1982

Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on www.caldarinews.wordpress.com
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-02-26 13:28:51 UTC
I missed being -8.9 Those were the days.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#6 - 2015-02-26 13:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Bwhahaha, a pitiful ISK farming servant of the NPC menace calling those who fight for capsuleers and capsuleers only civilians amuses me to no end.

No, your ISK making does not need to be made safer, and no, the empires of the puny mortals do not need to be that important or powerful.

It's all about the capsuleers and the empire militaries have no say in what we do and who we fight.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-02-26 14:12:48 UTC
What is this **** doing in C&P? Put in to Features and Ideas were in can die in peace.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-26 14:47:50 UTC

If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#9 - 2015-02-26 15:10:17 UTC
......

*shakes fist at sky*

EZWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#10 - 2015-02-26 15:40:47 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.



Not sure, if I haven't been clear! This is exactly what I don't want! I don't want to have to farm to get my security rating up again! I want to be able to shoot any enemy in a plex regardless of Faction Warfare enemy or filthy Pirate scum...

Tanking since 1982

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#11 - 2015-02-26 15:51:52 UTC
Wouldn't it be easier (and more fun) just to remove the standing hits from low-sec entirely, then?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Tasnala Estidal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-02-26 15:56:03 UTC
Flash Thomson wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.



Not sure, if I haven't been clear! This is exactly what I don't want! I don't want to have to farm to get my security rating up again! I want to be able to shoot any enemy in a plex regardless of Faction Warfare enemy or filthy Pirate scum...


Then set Mr. Safety to orange and press f1, sec status be damned. Sounds like to me you want to do what " filthy pirate scum" do, but don't want to man up to the price of your desires. All those fw points should buy you a set of tags easy. Shoot everyone, buy tags, profit.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-26 16:55:48 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.



What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month.

Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2015-02-26 17:00:30 UTC
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Paranoid Loyd
#15 - 2015-02-26 17:02:32 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.



What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month.

Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem.

I don't do any PVE for isk. Get off your high horse and go gank someone. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-02-26 17:04:05 UTC
Flash Thomson wrote:
Hello,

I want to suggest to flag Pilots, that enter FW Complexes without taking part in Faction Warfare, as criminals.

FW Complexes are sectors of military operations as such "civilians" have no reason to be there.
In most cases those "Civilians" will go on and attack the "military personal" on duty.
In order to stay alive it is often necessary to open fire first, which will not only flag the Pilot carrying out his duty as criminal but also lower his security rating.

This does not make sense in any way.



Best Regards


Flash Thomson


PS: I was not sure if this should be posted here or on Faction Warfare.



Agreed. I should not have to give someone the first volley just because they have a highsec logistics alt. Pirates love farming kills in FW plexes; if you warp into one as a neutral 99% of the time you're looking for a fight. Should get a suspect timer upon taking gate. If you want to pick off FW players sack up and join FW.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-02-26 17:07:15 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.



What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month.

Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem.

I don't do any PVE for isk. Get off your high horse and go gank someone. Blink


You're still farming. You're just farming idiots instead of red crosses. I only have one account so ganking for profit would be unworkable.
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2015-02-26 17:34:50 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I only have one account so ganking for profit would be unworkable.
You have heard of friends right?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-02-26 17:38:58 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
I missed being -8.9 Those were the days.


Yeah the days you gave me more suspect flag in a logi boat that I could ever ask for...

:D
Lugh Crow-Slave
#20 - 2015-02-26 18:11:02 UTC
Either


A.) wait for them to fire on you
or
B.) man up and take the sec hit

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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