Crime & Punishment

So after scamming several corps for several dozen billion a piece, I decided I would share what I've learned and see if I can pick up any more tips and tricks for EVE's most profitable sociopathic career. Maybe I'll help some people prepare against and maybe I'll lead to more people being stolen from, but regardless.



Long Gaming is simply gaining a corporation's trust over a decent amount of time (varies on the corp) and then robbing them blind when the time comes. You can either put a lot of effort into this for quick returns, or do it on the side for a longer term investment.

Generally it requires the following -

1.) Good knowledge of EVE mechanics, enough that you could generally teach new players about more complex things like fittings and skill plans.

2.) Access to comms- Team Speak, Mumble, and if your target is a fossil, Vent. Voice communication is key to building trust.

3.) Willingness to do ****** jobs - Recruitment, freighting, leading noobie gangs, diplomacy, etc. Not all of these are essential. But it helps you rise through the ranks quickly.

4.) Moderately good social skills. You don't have to be a politician but you need to be able to hold a conversation over comms and text.

5.) A decent amount of isk to burn (Say around a bill) , this is completely optional but once again makes the job a lot easier.

6.) Dedication. You'll need to donate at least 1-2 hours of your play time out of your normal time for this to work.

If you meet most of these requirements, you're set.

SECTION B.) Finding the Mark

Finding your target is surprisingly easy, and generally I have a set criteria for easy isk.

1.) New, but not New . You don't want a corp that is 3 days old; you want a corp that has been around for at least 1 week. Let the CEO handle the unpleasant first few days.

Note: The earlier you get in, the more likely you are to be a quickly promoted director, but get in too early and you'll have no idea if you will earn a decent profit.

2.) This corp's CEO has a deep wallet. The ways to check this are easy, jump into a ship and join up with them to mine, or mission, whatever flavor of care bear he is.

Note: Multiboxer miner means you've struck gold, the more hulks they have on field, the more ISK in your future.

3.) The CEO must be dedicated. He has to handle the b***h work of setting up his own corp without you so that you don't have to become the main driving force behind the survival of the corp. That just means too much effort for too little profit.

SECTION C.) What do?

1.) Become essential. That is the key tenant of this entire thread. If you become essential you get rights, and if you get rights you get money.
@ - Throughout this I talk about doing grunt work, such as recruitment and such, but when I say become essential I mean to help advance the corp. I've seen people teach miners how to pvp (really simple things such as how to make safes, when to engage in lowsec, etc.) which placed him as a figure head of the corp before he robbed them blind.

2.) Be the adviser. Give advice on any subject, but in on any issue you can. This sounds obnoxious but for care bears this shows initiative.

3.) Convince the CEO to be reckless. One of the inevitable facts of a high sec corporation is that war decs will pour in by the shovel-full, so how do we solve that?

One word - Nullsec.

That move to Nullsec is chaotic and the best time to pull the heist, everyone has to move all of their assets, money has to be put in the corp wallet.

If you have a freighter alt, or even better a jump freighter alt, you can easily convince the legion of high sec people to give you their packaged hulls and delicious items.

Or even just wait till everyone is compacted in Nullsec, though it will be much harder to sell.

4.) When you are ready to pull the heist, DO THINGS IN THE RIGHT ORDER, it goes as follows (during the span of a day, or two at the most) Only you will know when the right time is, whether that be 2 weeks or a month in, whenever you want to cash it all in go for it.

I.) Take as much as you can from individual members, pm them and ask for loans you'll pay back or if you can borrow an expensive hull, try scrounging up enough money without raising suspicion. Don't blatantly beg for cash on comms or something, target the more naïve types or the ones who trust you before moving on to the more wary folks.

Note: This may sound kind of useless, but if you promise them an interest rate on a loan of a bil or two, they often will take it.


II.) Wait till as few corp members are on as possible, and start stealing the valuables from any pos' your corp may have, focus on profit with low volume, don't steal a **** ton of minerals or something because the amount of time you spend freighting is just not worth it, I recommend moving the valuable things first.

Always check every pos you have, research stations, etc. you never know what you may find

III.) Clean out the station hangars and move them into yours. Do this after the others because the second someone opens up an important hangar and it's empty **** will hit the fan

IV.) If possible, get a freighter or hire a freighter and unanchor the pos' depending on what your corp has that is a nice chunk of isk, and make sure you take the fuel after you unanchor the tower move to V

V.) Drain the wallet. Self explanatory.

Will add more as I write it, comments and additions are appreciated!

With the awoxing changes this thread will be very useful to many prospective corp thieves. You should start a blog recounting some of your more entertaining adventures. Delay the release of any given story by quite a bit though so it's harder to see who you are actually talking about.

Solid guide.
My only advice is to steal them heart and soul afterwords :D
Most people in my history I fly with today are people I have robbed blind.
[even taken a few out for beers]
Don.

Fascinating read.

However, as someone who amateurishly dabbled in some tidbits of ganking and awoxing, I have a question, the same one I asked myself the first time I watched the "Causality" video.

I may sound silly to you, but when you get into a corp, get on comms with them, become - as you said - "essential" to their business, etc, don't you develop, I know it's silly but bear with me on this one, don't you develop some kind of empathy for those guys ?

Some sympathy that lets you see them not as faceless sheeps to be sheared, but as people with hopes, ideas and feelings ?

How do you cope with this... proximity ?

(One answer I would have is the Don's up here: make friends with them after you rob them. But still, am I the only one to see these heists as slightly-yet-entertaingly sociopathic ?)

I used to, and once I get back into this again probably will use my wife to do comms for me when I pull an awox. For some reason most people will just let a genuine female into their corp no questions asked.




My wallet thinks so. Especially since I didn't have to engage in loathsome PvE content, too.



You'd think so, but then there's the same old retards who kept getting awoxed without checking API, despite that being an almost universally known countemeasure.

CCP can't patch stupid, much though they'd like to try.

i guess your right in all of that, i just couldnt bring myself to do it, especially the going on comms part with a noob corp, its not really about checking api, you would cover your own tracks before applying and the api has nothing to do with building trust with someone vocally through a game.

Of course I personally feel for them, I remember the first (and only) time it happened to me. My levels of butthurt were illegal in empire space. I then got over said butthurt and played for years, dabbling in all manner of things. When null lost its shine after the big move across the galaxy, I made several alts and decided to help people with corp security, giving my review in proper letter format at the end so they could close security flaws. I flew with them, I stole from them, I felt so bad for them I never wanted it to happen to them ever again. Most were extremely butthurt, and I sold their stuff. Some were meh, and asked nicely for their stuff back, and I sold it to them by contract for 80% market sellers price to save them from going shopping and me trucking 40 ships around. A hand full of them still fly and fight with me today, and have so for many moons. They ended up making much more from me than I stole from them. The super cool guys usually get their stuff back cheap.

You have to remember, eve is a game of strong vs weak. If they are weak, strip their bones clean and make the galaxy stronger. If they are misguided, show them their error, and let fate run its course. If they are good people, fly with them and make yourself stronger.

There are many who hate theives and gankers, and call them sociopaths. Don't try to explain it to those people. Its like trying to explain to a sheep why a wolf does what it does. Just let them bleat till its their turn.

I have a friend who did something similar with great success.

Why would anyone pass up the chance to slap an entire corp full of noobs around?

Speaking of teaching people their tricks, I would love if people had more advice to add to this thread. This is a very poorly communicated profession that needs more networking so everyone isn't spent constantly recreating the wheel.