Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't forget AFK miners and haulers!

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I am all for those sleepers shaking things up a little.

A wish that has been brought forward in one way or another multiple times already. It is the task of the players to remove these POSes. If you do not want to wardec another player corp, hire someone who does all the time anyways and let them do the work. While I am in favor of more NPC activities, I do not think that NPC should take over this kind of tasks from players.

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Yes, I do have an offline POS in an area where people can just go to the moon next to mine to find an empty spot. In contrast to people like you, I do not need a spot right next to Jita or another hub, because I am not lazy. If you are lazy, you better hire another player to do the hard work while you sit in your armchair and wallow in your laziness.

As long as I get a notification when my POS goes unanchored, I am fine with it. You might not want to believe it, but there are other uses of offline POS than just blocking moons around Jita.

In general I agree with this sentiment. Players should drive the content in this game.

That said, NPCs have been made trivial over the years by the general power creep of ships. New Eden is suppose to be dark and risky, not a place where you can hang out AFK (or squatting on a moon) indefinitely with no chance of someone, or something coming along and messing with your stuff.

I think these NPCs should mess with players more (since players are limited to do this in highsec by mechanics), but it should rare and unpredictable so that someone can't count on them to remove a POS for them at a given time (and to avoid people farming them). However the risk would be high enough if you leave a POS there unattended for a year, it likely won't be there when you get back.

Same thing for AFKing in space. Most of the time you should be safe doing this and if any rats attacked you at all, they would be weak. However there should be a small chance, increasing as you get to lower security status systems, that something tough enough for you to have to run from, or bring much more firepower to deal with than a few drones, will spawn.

Re-read my post. I specifically said I want such attacks to be rare and unpredictable so a player cannot use them to remove a tower for them. If you want a specific moon, then you better hire mercenaries or take it down yourself.

I am for more risk in highsec (to combat AFK-ness and make the game more interesting), and in the game in general for that matter. Players should not be 100% be able to have safety for free, and squatting on a moon comes close to that as the only way to take one down is by a wardec which gives 24h notice.

Honestly though, it isn't a big issue for me as there is a way to get a moon if you want one with a wardec. But I do think it would be interesting if these sleepers made some things in New Eden a little more unpredictable and exciting.

The 24h notice is completely unimportant here. If the tower stands after the 24h, it dies to your (contracted) weapons, if it was removed by the owner, you get the spot even faster. In either way, you get what you want with player interaction. It does not matter whether the tower dies to your (contracted) weapons or not, the goal is to get the spot and this is achieved with a wardec in both ways.

If the owners abandoned the towers, they do not care about the Seekers/Sleepers taking them down and no risk increase took place at all. You just created more AFK potential for people interested in certain spots because they can just wait for the tower to eventually taken down after 30 days (or whatever other period of time). As there are thousands of long abandoned towers, there would be a lot of swift attacks happening very soon after the introduction of this feature and many moons in favorable locations would be freed up. For the rest, see above.

Of course some do. They squat on them hoping to sell them, use them later for themselves or for whatever other reason. If they really wanted to abandon the moon, they would pull up the tower and sell it for some ISK.

You are right though that many others are indeed abandoned by people who left the game, or just forgot about them. Removing them is trivial in this case as there will be no opposition to a wardec so having them disappear randomly over time due to sleepers isn't really going to change much, especially since there is no shortage of moons since CCP removed the standings requirement and opened the moons in the higher highsec systems last summer.

But I will reiterate that I am definitely not for NPCs blowing them up on defined schedule or the like. There should just be a small chance every month that your unattended space assets should receive a visit from the sleepers to make things a little more unpredictable and interesting.

Side note: This blog post popped up while I was writing this. Seems like I am not the only one who likes the unpredictability of these sleepers.

if you want the pos gone get rid of it yourself or hire someone else to do it

Depends on how you define the term use:


Without the charters, the starbase goes offline and you cannot use it in terms of game mechanics (refining, building, science, protection, storage). The use of offline starbases to occupy/block moons to prevent other players from taking that spot does not fall under that definition of "use".